FIDE World Cup 30 October - 27 November 2025
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LawrenceCooper
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Re: FIDE World Cup 30 October - 27 November 2025
Sindarov also through with a draw. Wei Yi likely to win, Donchenko should as well but the evaluation swings in recent moves make me hesitate slightly.
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Re: FIDE World Cup 30 October - 27 November 2025
I saw those too, I think they are just wrong. With free engines, sometimes you get what you pay for.LawrenceCooper wrote: ↑Sat Nov 15, 2025 2:19 pmDonchenko should as well but the evaluation swings in recent moves make me hesitate slightly.
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Re: FIDE World Cup 30 October - 27 November 2025
The commentators agreed though. After 50 b5 I couldn't see a win but maybe others can.NickFaulks wrote: ↑Sat Nov 15, 2025 2:36 pmI saw those too, I think they are just wrong. With free engines, sometimes you get what you pay for.LawrenceCooper wrote: ↑Sat Nov 15, 2025 2:19 pmDonchenko should as well but the evaluation swings in recent moves make me hesitate slightly.
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Re: FIDE World Cup 30 October - 27 November 2025
And so it goes.NickFaulks wrote: ↑Thu Nov 13, 2025 2:26 pmWei Yi is through, so we may yet see two seeded players reach the quarter-finals. If so, they will play each other.
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Re: FIDE World Cup 30 October - 27 November 2025
Oh, my goodness, I was cooking at that point and missed it. I was talking about when the eval slipped to -2.6 or so. 50. b5 is nasty!LawrenceCooper wrote: ↑Sat Nov 15, 2025 2:38 pmThe commentators agreed though. After 50 b5 I couldn't see a win but maybe others can.
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LawrenceCooper
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Re: FIDE World Cup 30 October - 27 November 2025
Revised draw:
Sindarov v Harikrishna/Martinez
Yakuobboev v Liem Le/Donchenko
Dubov/Shankland v Grebnev/Esipenko
Wei Yi v Erigiasi
Sindarov v Harikrishna/Martinez
Yakuobboev v Liem Le/Donchenko
Dubov/Shankland v Grebnev/Esipenko
Wei Yi v Erigiasi
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LawrenceCooper
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Re: FIDE World Cup 30 October - 27 November 2025
The queen against rook & 4 passed pawns would have been an interesting one to watch.NickFaulks wrote: ↑Sat Nov 15, 2025 2:45 pmOh, my goodness, I was cooking at that point and missed it. I was talking about when the eval slipped to -2.6 or so. 50. b5 is nasty!LawrenceCooper wrote: ↑Sat Nov 15, 2025 2:38 pmThe commentators agreed though. After 50 b5 I couldn't see a win but maybe others can.
Heartbreak for Donchenko losing the win after 69...Ke2 when all three moves to the g file would have won.
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Re: FIDE World Cup 30 October - 27 November 2025
and yet a bit odd that White missed it, since all his remaining chances seem to relate to that passed pawn.NickFaulks wrote: ↑Sat Nov 15, 2025 2:45 pmOh, my goodness, I was cooking at that point and missed it. I was talking about when the eval slipped to -2.6 or so. 50. b5 is nasty!LawrenceCooper wrote: ↑Sat Nov 15, 2025 2:38 pmThe commentators agreed though. After 50 b5 I couldn't see a win but maybe others can.
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Re: FIDE World Cup 30 October - 27 November 2025
Still depends on who they are, surely. If they are the higher rated players, arguably the system has still done its job.Jonathan Rogers wrote: ↑Sat Nov 15, 2025 1:12 pmAronian's exit means that all three qualifiers will be new candidates, and thus there will be four new candidates overall. A sign of how competitive and fast-moving the chess world is, or (if they do badly) how flawed the knockout system is as a qualifier?
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Re: FIDE World Cup 30 October - 27 November 2025
Pity about Aronian but good to see Yakubboev throughLawrenceCooper wrote: ↑Sat Nov 15, 2025 1:04 pmAronian blundered and is knocked out by Arjun. Yakubboev beat Sargassian.
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Re: FIDE World Cup 30 October - 27 November 2025
The system has produced some Candidates that haven't been competitive, but the winners of the World Cup have all been really strong playersMatt Mackenzie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 15, 2025 5:06 pmStill depends on who they are, surely. If they are the higher rated players, arguably the system has still done its job.Jonathan Rogers wrote: ↑Sat Nov 15, 2025 1:12 pmAronian's exit means that all three qualifiers will be new candidates, and thus there will be four new candidates overall. A sign of how competitive and fast-moving the chess world is, or (if they do badly) how flawed the knockout system is as a qualifier?
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Jonathan Rogers
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Re: FIDE World Cup 30 October - 27 November 2025
Perhaps it doesn't help that a recent qualifier from the World Cup was the semi-finalist Abasov. Perhaps a more diligent researcher than I can look at the performances in the Candidates of all WC qualifiers - I don't know whether we have enough data yet to compare this route with the more recent route of qualifiers from grand open swisses?
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Re: FIDE World Cup 30 October - 27 November 2025
There've probably been too few Candidates' tournaments for any comparisons to be statistically significant.
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Re: FIDE World Cup 30 October - 27 November 2025
I think Gelfand and Karjakin both won the candidates after qualifying via the World Cup in 2009 and 2015 respectively.Jonathan Rogers wrote: ↑Sat Nov 15, 2025 9:40 pmPerhaps it doesn't help that a recent qualifier from the World Cup was the semi-finalist Abasov. Perhaps a more diligent researcher than I can look at the performances in the Candidates of all WC qualifiers
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Mick Norris
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Re: FIDE World Cup 30 October - 27 November 2025
Gelfand and Karjakin both won the World Cup though
The qualifiers who didn't reach the final were 2023 Caruana and Abasov (when Magnus won but didn't enter the Candidates), 2011 Ivanchuk, with in 2005 10 places available for the Candidates matches under a different format with the 11th place finisher getting 1 of those
The qualifiers who didn't reach the final were 2023 Caruana and Abasov (when Magnus won but didn't enter the Candidates), 2011 Ivanchuk, with in 2005 10 places available for the Candidates matches under a different format with the 11th place finisher getting 1 of those
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