FIDE World Cup 30 October - 27 November 2025

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Re: FIDE World Cup 30 October - 27 November 2025

Post by LawrenceCooper » Sat Nov 15, 2025 2:19 pm

Sindarov also through with a draw. Wei Yi likely to win, Donchenko should as well but the evaluation swings in recent moves make me hesitate slightly.

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Re: FIDE World Cup 30 October - 27 November 2025

Post by NickFaulks » Sat Nov 15, 2025 2:36 pm

LawrenceCooper wrote:
Sat Nov 15, 2025 2:19 pm
Donchenko should as well but the evaluation swings in recent moves make me hesitate slightly.
I saw those too, I think they are just wrong. With free engines, sometimes you get what you pay for.
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Re: FIDE World Cup 30 October - 27 November 2025

Post by LawrenceCooper » Sat Nov 15, 2025 2:38 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
Sat Nov 15, 2025 2:36 pm
LawrenceCooper wrote:
Sat Nov 15, 2025 2:19 pm
Donchenko should as well but the evaluation swings in recent moves make me hesitate slightly.
I saw those too, I think they are just wrong. With free engines, sometimes you get what you pay for.
The commentators agreed though. After 50 b5 I couldn't see a win but maybe others can.

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Re: FIDE World Cup 30 October - 27 November 2025

Post by NickFaulks » Sat Nov 15, 2025 2:40 pm

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Wei Yi is through, so we may yet see two seeded players reach the quarter-finals. If so, they will play each other. :)
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Re: FIDE World Cup 30 October - 27 November 2025

Post by NickFaulks » Sat Nov 15, 2025 2:45 pm

LawrenceCooper wrote:
Sat Nov 15, 2025 2:38 pm
The commentators agreed though. After 50 b5 I couldn't see a win but maybe others can.
Oh, my goodness, I was cooking at that point and missed it. I was talking about when the eval slipped to -2.6 or so. 50. b5 is nasty!
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Re: FIDE World Cup 30 October - 27 November 2025

Post by LawrenceCooper » Sat Nov 15, 2025 2:48 pm

Revised draw:

Sindarov v Harikrishna/Martinez
Yakuobboev v Liem Le/Donchenko

Dubov/Shankland v Grebnev/Esipenko
Wei Yi v Erigiasi

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Re: FIDE World Cup 30 October - 27 November 2025

Post by LawrenceCooper » Sat Nov 15, 2025 2:51 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
Sat Nov 15, 2025 2:45 pm
LawrenceCooper wrote:
Sat Nov 15, 2025 2:38 pm
The commentators agreed though. After 50 b5 I couldn't see a win but maybe others can.
Oh, my goodness, I was cooking at that point and missed it. I was talking about when the eval slipped to -2.6 or so. 50. b5 is nasty!
The queen against rook & 4 passed pawns would have been an interesting one to watch.

Heartbreak for Donchenko losing the win after 69...Ke2 when all three moves to the g file would have won.

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Re: FIDE World Cup 30 October - 27 November 2025

Post by Jonathan Rogers » Sat Nov 15, 2025 2:54 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
Sat Nov 15, 2025 2:45 pm
LawrenceCooper wrote:
Sat Nov 15, 2025 2:38 pm
The commentators agreed though. After 50 b5 I couldn't see a win but maybe others can.
Oh, my goodness, I was cooking at that point and missed it. I was talking about when the eval slipped to -2.6 or so. 50. b5 is nasty!
and yet a bit odd that White missed it, since all his remaining chances seem to relate to that passed pawn.

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Re: FIDE World Cup 30 October - 27 November 2025

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Sat Nov 15, 2025 5:06 pm

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Sat Nov 15, 2025 1:12 pm
Aronian's exit means that all three qualifiers will be new candidates, and thus there will be four new candidates overall. A sign of how competitive and fast-moving the chess world is, or (if they do badly) how flawed the knockout system is as a qualifier?
Still depends on who they are, surely. If they are the higher rated players, arguably the system has still done its job.
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Re: FIDE World Cup 30 October - 27 November 2025

Post by Mick Norris » Sat Nov 15, 2025 5:25 pm

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Sat Nov 15, 2025 1:04 pm
Aronian blundered and is knocked out by Arjun. Yakubboev beat Sargassian.
Pity about Aronian but good to see Yakubboev through
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Re: FIDE World Cup 30 October - 27 November 2025

Post by Mick Norris » Sat Nov 15, 2025 5:27 pm

Matt Mackenzie wrote:
Sat Nov 15, 2025 5:06 pm
Jonathan Rogers wrote:
Sat Nov 15, 2025 1:12 pm
Aronian's exit means that all three qualifiers will be new candidates, and thus there will be four new candidates overall. A sign of how competitive and fast-moving the chess world is, or (if they do badly) how flawed the knockout system is as a qualifier?
Still depends on who they are, surely. If they are the higher rated players, arguably the system has still done its job.
The system has produced some Candidates that haven't been competitive, but the winners of the World Cup have all been really strong players
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Re: FIDE World Cup 30 October - 27 November 2025

Post by Jonathan Rogers » Sat Nov 15, 2025 9:40 pm

Perhaps it doesn't help that a recent qualifier from the World Cup was the semi-finalist Abasov. Perhaps a more diligent researcher than I can look at the performances in the Candidates of all WC qualifiers - I don't know whether we have enough data yet to compare this route with the more recent route of qualifiers from grand open swisses?

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Re: FIDE World Cup 30 October - 27 November 2025

Post by IM Jack Rudd » Sat Nov 15, 2025 10:26 pm

There've probably been too few Candidates' tournaments for any comparisons to be statistically significant.

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Re: FIDE World Cup 30 October - 27 November 2025

Post by Nick Burrows » Sun Nov 16, 2025 5:25 am

Jonathan Rogers wrote:
Sat Nov 15, 2025 9:40 pm
Perhaps it doesn't help that a recent qualifier from the World Cup was the semi-finalist Abasov. Perhaps a more diligent researcher than I can look at the performances in the Candidates of all WC qualifiers
I think Gelfand and Karjakin both won the candidates after qualifying via the World Cup in 2009 and 2015 respectively.

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Re: FIDE World Cup 30 October - 27 November 2025

Post by Mick Norris » Sun Nov 16, 2025 9:10 am

Gelfand and Karjakin both won the World Cup though

The qualifiers who didn't reach the final were 2023 Caruana and Abasov (when Magnus won but didn't enter the Candidates), 2011 Ivanchuk, with in 2005 10 places available for the Candidates matches under a different format with the 11th place finisher getting 1 of those
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