WC Match 2016 - New York 10-30 November

Joshua Gibbs · Post by **Joshua Gibbs** » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:29 pm

MartinCarpenter wrote:Karjakin seemingly sticking with the plan of playing very slightly worse positions with white

look. In the history of chess Karjakin is the only WC match participant with zero loses. Fact.

Barry Sandercock · Post by **Barry Sandercock** » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:44 pm

This game looks like a draw (move 21 ) even if Karjakin wins a pawn, with the opposite colour bishops.

Richard Bates · Post by **Richard Bates** » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:45 pm

Carlsen seemingly a bit jealous of Karjakin having all the fun and has decided to get in on the act himself.

MartinCarpenter · Post by **MartinCarpenter** » Sun Nov 20, 2016 9:22 pm

Seems like Karjakin is jealousy guarding the right to suffer though

(Don't suppose there was ever any risk of white getting anywhere there.).

Graham Borrowdale · Post by **Graham Borrowdale** » Sun Nov 20, 2016 9:43 pm

I think this chess is at such a high level that any sniff of a chance of a position where one player can make headway is avoided at all costs. The games which could have been decisive have been the result of very high level errors, beyond the perception of most of us. Its a bit like many World Cup finals in football - very dour affairs decided by a single late goal, possibly in extra time. We will not see an unbalanced Sicilian, less still castling on opposite sides, etc. The risk of losing far outweighs the risk of winning.

NickFaulks · Post by **NickFaulks** » Sun Nov 20, 2016 10:23 pm

Graham Borrowdale wrote: The games which could have been decisive have been the result of very high level errors, beyond the perception of most of us.

Not sure that's quite true. I didn't understand Karjakin's Bxh6 sac and he confirmed afterwards that it was just a mistake.

Paul Cooksey · Post by **Paul Cooksey** » Sun Nov 20, 2016 10:32 pm

we would be seeing a different match if, say, MVL was the challenger. If there is a fault in the system it is maybe that the candidates format seems to favour tough, risk adverse players.

Still, I'm enjoying the match, and I'd rather have a stable system with minor faults than the mess than preceded it.

Jonathan Rogers · Post by **Jonathan Rogers** » Mon Nov 21, 2016 7:06 pm

Good grief, now we will discuss whether this is the first Colle in a world Championship (maybe some Alekhine match?) ...

Carl Hibbard · Post by **Carl Hibbard** » Mon Nov 21, 2016 7:09 pm

Avoiding preparation I assume and just play.

Matt Mackenzie · Post by **Matt Mackenzie** » Mon Nov 21, 2016 7:11 pm

Well, he got his first ever (classical) win over Giri playing it.

Jonathan Rogers · Post by **Jonathan Rogers** » Mon Nov 21, 2016 7:20 pm

Matt Mackenzie wrote:Well, he got his first ever (classical) win over Giri playing it.

Ah, hadn't noticed that. Interesting!

Roger de Coverly · Post by **Roger de Coverly** » Mon Nov 21, 2016 7:28 pm

Jonathan Rogers wrote:Good grief, now we will discuss whether this is the first Colle in a world Championship (maybe some Alekhine match?) ...

Alekhine - Euwe in 1935 game 17. Euwe played what used to be supposed the "book" equaliser of 3. .. Bf5.

There were 28 examples of the position after 1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. e3 at Bournemouth this year, 5 in the Championship.

Under a misleading title, here's what the forum thought about it a couple of years ago.

http://www.ecforum.org.uk/viewtopic.php?t=6354

JustinHorton · Post by **JustinHorton** » Mon Nov 21, 2016 8:42 pm

Jonathan Rogers wrote:Good grief, now we will discuss whether this is the first Colle in a world Championship (maybe some Alekhine match?) ...

Apparently not

MartinCarpenter · Post by **MartinCarpenter** » Mon Nov 21, 2016 9:07 pm

Nearly got itself incredibly interesting on move 19 but Karjakin didn't like it. They are at least managing to keep a good number of pieces alive for a lot longer this time.

LawrenceCooper · Post by **LawrenceCooper** » Mon Nov 21, 2016 10:43 pm

Some signs of life now.

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