2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

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Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by Jonathan Bryant » Mon Mar 28, 2016 10:19 am

NickFaulks wrote:I missed most of yesterday. Do I gather there were confusing announcements out of Moscow re tiebreaks?
It depends whether you define "arbiter not being aware of the tiebreak rules despite round 13 of 14 having just ended with the possibility of a tie-brea being required looming large" as 'confusing' or 'SNAFU'.

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Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by NickFaulks » Mon Mar 28, 2016 10:47 am

Jonathan Bryant wrote:
NickFaulks wrote:I missed most of yesterday. Do I gather there were confusing announcements out of Moscow re tiebreaks?
It depends whether you define "arbiter not being aware of the tiebreak rules despite round 13 of 14 having just ended with the possibility of a tie-brea being required looming large" as 'confusing' or 'SNAFU'.
Could you point me to exactly what happened? I spoke to the CA about this last week and he was absolutely clear.
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Post by JustinHorton » Mon Mar 28, 2016 11:08 am

Nick - trawl back over the past couple of pages and click on the various Twitter links.
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Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by JustinHorton » Mon Mar 28, 2016 11:13 am

Well, maybe not this one since it's been deleted, but this and this. They don't tell the whole story but basically, the arbiter stated that in the event of a three-way playoff Anand would drop out and then Karjakin would beat Caruana on most wins.

After much social media agitation on the lines of there being no basis for this anywhere in the regulations, the arbiter changed his mind, i.e. it was claimed that his true meaning had been "lost in translation".
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Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by NickFaulks » Mon Mar 28, 2016 12:33 pm

JustinHorton wrote:but basically, the arbiter stated that in the event of a three-way playoff Anand would drop out and then Karjakin would beat Caruana on most wins.
I still need to be convinced that he actually said it. To whom did he say it?
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Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by JustinHorton » Mon Mar 28, 2016 1:06 pm

That question might be better addressed to ChessVibes?
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Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by LawrenceCooper » Mon Mar 28, 2016 1:07 pm

The official broadcast has at least two games mixed up. On the video you can see Karjakin-Caruana is a Sicilian but on the live games it's a Catalan :roll:

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Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by JustinHorton » Mon Mar 28, 2016 1:09 pm

Jonathan Bryant wrote:Catalan was about half of the London candidates it felt like.
We have a Catalan!

And a Classical Sicilian, a rare bird these days.
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Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by Martin Benjamin » Mon Mar 28, 2016 1:10 pm

The board names are wrong on the official site. According to the commentators, Karjakin - Caruana is a Sicilian, but the game with their names showing is a Catalan. I don't like being critical, but in view of the fuss about transmission rights (which I haven't had time to follow closely), that is poor.

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Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by NickFaulks » Mon Mar 28, 2016 1:11 pm

JustinHorton wrote:That question might be better addressed to ChessVibes?
The question I address to you is why the tweet was immediately accepted as gospel.
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Post by LawrenceCooper » Mon Mar 28, 2016 1:11 pm

Martin Benjamin wrote:The board names are wrong on the official site. According to the commentators, Karjakin - Caruana is a Sicilian, but the game with their names showing is a Catalan. I don't like being critical, but in view of the fuss about transmission rights (which I haven't had time to follow closely), that is poor.
Thankfully we have the illegal streams with the names correct :)

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Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by JustinHorton » Mon Mar 28, 2016 1:12 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
JustinHorton wrote:That question might be better addressed to ChessVibes?
The question I address to you is why the tweet was immediately accepted as gospel.
It wasn't. The debate that followed was both prolonged and sceptical.
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Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by Carl Hibbard » Mon Mar 28, 2016 1:12 pm

So which is which?
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Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by Peter Shaw » Mon Mar 28, 2016 1:12 pm

Not a single Berlin endgame in the whole tournament...

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Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by NickFaulks » Mon Mar 28, 2016 1:15 pm

Jonathan Bryant wrote: It depends whether you define "arbiter not being aware of the tiebreak rules despite round 13 of 14 having just ended with the possibility of a tie-brea being required looming large" as 'confusing' or 'SNAFU'.
This one wasn't very sceptical, though of course it wasn't you.
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