Women's In-Tournament Training

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Re: Women's In-Tournament Training

Post by Carl Hibbard » Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:00 pm

Ben Purton wrote:Why cant women be accused of being sexist, thats very sexist of you Mr Burke
You are not helping this thread Ben so please stick to the point of the conversation :!:
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Re: Women's In-Tournament Training

Post by Gary Cook » Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:01 pm

At the end of the day positive discrimination is still discrimination if you are one of the ones that is being negatively impacted. Positive discrimination tries to balance out discrimination by using the same process that it is trying to eliminate and is doomed for that reason.

What needs to be understood is why don't many women play chess. In this instance more women are being encouraged to enter a tournament by reducing their entry fees, but as Alan points out they can still win the same prizes. This assumes that the reason they don't enter is because they don't want to pay the entry fee in the first place - in theory this could be be said to be proved if more women entered than before.

In my experience the reason more women don't play is down to the treatment they receive from some elements of the men who play. Will reducing their entry to tournaments eliminate that?

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Re: Women's In-Tournament Training

Post by Justin Hadi » Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:11 pm

The tournament is full so clearly the rest of the players don't feel too discriminated against...

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Re: Women's In-Tournament Training

Post by Roger de Coverly » Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:14 pm

Gary Cook wrote: This assumes that the reason they don't enter is because they don't want to pay the entry fee in the first place
You wouldn't see GMs and IMs at tournaments if you didn't give them free entry, so free entry is an incentive of sorts to enter. What other drivers are there as well for women, I don't know. Head to head competition possibly with other female players?

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Re: Women's In-Tournament Training

Post by Alan Burke » Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:15 pm

Ben Purton ... if you wish to make any more comments about me, will you please do so in this forum and NOT harrass and worry another member of my family on Facebook.

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Re: Women's In-Tournament Training

Post by Gary Cook » Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:21 pm

Justin Hadi wrote:You wouldn't see GMs and IMs at tournaments if you didn't give them free entry,
They have been "trained" to think that way so will obviously object to paying.

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Re: Women's In-Tournament Training

Post by Gary Cook » Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:23 pm

Justin Hadi wrote:The tournament is full so clearly the rest of the players don't feel too discriminated against...
I do hope for the organisers sake that the tournament wasn't full of women, wouldn't make the bottom line very pretty!

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Re: Women's In-Tournament Training

Post by Louise Sinclair » Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:28 pm

You wouldn't see GMs and IMs at tournaments if you didn't give them free entry, so free entry is an incentive of sorts to enter. What other drivers are there as well for women, I don't know. Head to head competition possibly with other female players?
That is a strange assumption. At the Sam Black Blitz we usually attract GMs and IMs. They pay the same entry fee as the rest of the entrants. I guess it depends on the tournament :D
Head to head competition with other female players -why? I would rather sink my teeth into a male player. There are some odd ideas about women among chess players. It really gets me speculating about people.
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Re: Women's In-Tournament Training

Post by Gary Cook » Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:33 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Gary Cook wrote: This assumes that the reason they don't enter is because they don't want to pay the entry fee in the first place
You wouldn't see GMs and IMs at tournaments if you didn't give them free entry, so free entry is an incentive of sorts to enter. What other drivers are there as well for women, I don't know. Head to head competition possibly with other female players?
By treating women differently aren't you then saying to them that they need to be treated differently?

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Re: Women's In-Tournament Training

Post by Ben Purton » Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:36 pm

I aint Harassed? no one...
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Re: Women's In-Tournament Training

Post by Carl Hibbard » Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:40 pm

I seem to be running short of patience, not sure why?
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Re: Women's In-Tournament Training

Post by Gary Cook » Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:42 pm

Carl Hibbard wrote:I seem to be running short of patience, not sure why?
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I think we might be able to guess :wink:

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Re: Women's In-Tournament Training

Post by Carl Hibbard » Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:44 pm

It will soon be time for the big red button if I have to keep dealing with some of the hassle no matter who or where it comes from

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Re: Women's In-Tournament Training

Post by Roger de Coverly » Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:56 pm

Louise Sinclair wrote: That is a strange assumption. At the Sam Black Blitz we usually attract GMs and IMs. They pay the same entry fee as the rest of the entrants. I guess it depends on the tournament :D
Very much expected by the international chess community. Indeed GMs and when they can get it IMs usually expect a contribution to their food and accommodation as well. If you are a big enough name, you expect an appearance fee on top.

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Re: Women's In-Tournament Training

Post by Ben Purton » Wed Mar 16, 2011 7:02 pm

If your a pro chess player, and entry to some rapidplay tournaments in london is say 15-20 quid and first prize is even 100 quid , your on a 4/1 chance , so even if you are big favorite to win the tournament , when you minus other cost. How does this make sense playing the tournament? I don't know why this entire forum is so anti incentives to promote chess. More titled players and women are good things.
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