39th Olympiad Khanty-Mansiysk 2010 (the chess)
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Jonathan Rogers
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Re: 39th Olympiad Khanty-Mansiysk 2010 (the chess)
Elsewhere Armenia look like leading, since Hungary seem to be losing to Ukraine. Russia 2 are beating the Netherlands and creeping closer to the top!
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Jon D'Souza-Eva
Re: 39th Olympiad Khanty-Mansiysk 2010 (the chess)
In Gawain's game, after 43. Rf3 - does Qxc3 work, or is it just a fancy way to throw away at least half a point?
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Re: 39th Olympiad Khanty-Mansiysk 2010 (the chess)
The latter, unfortunately. There's no way to force the a-pawn through.Jon D'Souza-Eva wrote:In Gawain's game, after 43. Rf3 - does Qxc3 work, or is it just a fancy way to throw away at least half a point?
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Re: 39th Olympiad Khanty-Mansiysk 2010 (the chess)
If he regroups the bishop to c5, and the other one if necessary to e6, can't he play a3 then a2, followed by Bd4?Ian Kingston wrote:The latter, unfortunately. There's no way to force the a-pawn through.Jon D'Souza-Eva wrote:In Gawain's game, after 43. Rf3 - does Qxc3 work, or is it just a fancy way to throw away at least half a point?
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Ian Kingston
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It's rather involved, but apparently not. The key seems to be to get the white queen to b5, possibly coupled with f4 to try to undermine c5 and expose the black king.Mick Norris wrote:If he regroups the bishop to c5, and the other one if necessary to e6, can't he play a3 then a2, followed by Bd4?Ian Kingston wrote:The latter, unfortunately. There's no way to force the a-pawn through.Jon D'Souza-Eva wrote:In Gawain's game, after 43. Rf3 - does Qxc3 work, or is it just a fancy way to throw away at least half a point?
The game has followed a different and equally unfortunate course. White appears to have a perpetual.
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Re: 39th Olympiad Khanty-Mansiysk 2010 (the chess)
Gawain's now drawn so at least we can't lose the match now. Need Luke to at least draw which looks like he is doing however not sure what he is doing with his rook on g3 at the moment. Hopefully all will become clear shortly.
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Michael Jones
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Re: 39th Olympiad Khanty-Mansiysk 2010 (the chess)
Find whoever persuaded Adams to play and give him a coconut.
Any thoughts on Eljanov - Polgar? I'd guess that it's drawn but without an engine handy I wouldn't bet on it.
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Am I missing something or was 66... Rb2+ better than fxe5?
Any thoughts on Eljanov - Polgar? I'd guess that it's drawn but without an engine handy I wouldn't bet on it.
[later...]
Am I missing something or was 66... Rb2+ better than fxe5?
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Re: 39th Olympiad Khanty-Mansiysk 2010 (the chess)
It looks as if Luke has left too many holes for Blacks knight to jump into I am not sure he can hold this hope I am wrong though.
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Maxim Devereaux
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Re: 39th Olympiad Khanty-Mansiysk 2010 (the chess)
No, it loses a tempo compared to the game after Rb2 Kc6 fe (Rc2+ doesn't help at all after Kd5 Rd2+ Ke4 Re2+ Kf5 Rb2 Rxh2) Rxh2 Rb1 Rh8Michael Jones wrote: Am I missing something or was 66... Rb2+ better than fxe5?
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Re: 39th Olympiad Khanty-Mansiysk 2010 (the chess)
Black is nominally a bit better but it should just be a draw as there are no pawn breaks.David Brock wrote:It looks as if Luke has left too many holes for Blacks knight to jump into I am not sure he can hold this hope I am wrong though.
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Maxim Devereaux
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Re: 39th Olympiad Khanty-Mansiysk 2010 (the chess)
The holes weren't of any great consequence since Luke could cover all his weak points. Looks like a threefold repetition after Black's 101st move.David Brock wrote:It looks as if Luke has left too many holes for Blacks knight to jump into I am not sure he can hold this hope I am wrong though.
EDIT: Not claimed, and the game goes on. Interesting that... obviously Black is the one playing to win, but if he doesn't claim when he plays the move that leads to threefold repetition, White should claim then (although interestingly, he didn't have a move which led to threefold repetition, but the position actually on the board had already been repeated three times - compare after Black's 97th, 99th and 101st).
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Re: 39th Olympiad Khanty-Mansiysk 2010 (the chess)
Ah, thanks. I'd missed the fact that after Rxh2 Black can't play Rxb7 due to the skewer on the 7th rank.Maxim Devereaux wrote:No, it loses a tempo compared to the game after Rb2 Kc6 fe (Rc2+ doesn't help at all after Kd5 Rd2+ Ke4 Re2+ Kf5 Rb2 Rxh2) Rxh2 Rb1 Rh8Michael Jones wrote: Am I missing something or was 66... Rb2+ better than fxe5?
If the McShane game doesn't go to a repetition it'll probably go to 50 moves; it's been 22 since the last pawn move and unless Black moves the rook and plays b6, neither side can move a pawn without losing it.
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Re: 39th Olympiad Khanty-Mansiysk 2010 (the chess)
I can understand Black not claiming - he needs to win and the repetitions gain time on the clock. But White should really take the draw.Maxim Devereaux wrote:The holes weren't of any great consequence since Luke could cover all his weak points. Looks like a threefold repetition after Black's 101st move.David Brock wrote:It looks as if Luke has left too many holes for Blacks knight to jump into I am not sure he can hold this hope I am wrong though.
EDIT: Not claimed, and the game goes on. Interesting that... obviously Black is the one playing to win, but if he doesn't claim when he plays the move that leads to threefold repetition, White should claim then (although interestingly, he didn't have a move which led to threefold repetition, but the position actually on the board had already been repeated three times - compare after Black's 97th, 99th and 101st).
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Roger de Coverly
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Re: 39th Olympiad Khanty-Mansiysk 2010 (the chess)
One for all the watching arbiters. If either player had made a 10.2 claim (they cannot in practice as they have 30 second increments), would you award it after watching the play since about move 93?David Brock wrote:It looks as if Luke has left too many holes for Blacks knight to jump into I am not sure he can hold this hope I am wrong though.
The fifty move draw will come up at move 143 unless someone decides a pawn sac is possible or an exchange of pieces is offered and accepted.
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Re: 39th Olympiad Khanty-Mansiysk 2010 (the chess)
up to move 127!The fifty move draw will come up at move 143 unless someone decides a pawn sac is possible or an exchange of pieces is offered and accepted.