FIDE World Cup 30 October - 27 November 2025
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Mick Norris
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Re: FIDE World Cup 30 October - 27 November 2025
Wei Yi was lucky there
Both remaining matches should be close
Both remaining matches should be close
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- Matt Mackenzie
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Re: FIDE World Cup 30 October - 27 November 2025
That's got to hurt for Esipenko, but overall Wei Yi has deserved this.
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Jonathan Rogers
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Re: FIDE World Cup 30 October - 27 November 2025
Black is OK then - unless he leaves a rook en prise.
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Paul Cooksey
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Re: FIDE World Cup 30 October - 27 November 2025
I'm pretty happy with what this gives us for candidates qualification from the World Cup. I was worried earlier we would get three qualifiers who had no realistic chance of becoming world champion. But Wei Yi and Sindarov are both serious contenders. The later particularly given his age.
I suspect the third qualifier will be an also ran in the candidates, I would like to replace him and Bluebaum with a couple of the top 10 rated players who have not qualified. But I appreciate "players Paul reckons could win the World Championship" lacks something as a qualifying methodology even if it would give consistently good outcomes.
I suspect the third qualifier will be an also ran in the candidates, I would like to replace him and Bluebaum with a couple of the top 10 rated players who have not qualified. But I appreciate "players Paul reckons could win the World Championship" lacks something as a qualifying methodology even if it would give consistently good outcomes.
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Jonathan Rogers
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Re: FIDE World Cup 30 October - 27 November 2025
It might also prove controversial, yes.Paul Cooksey wrote: ↑Sun Nov 23, 2025 1:09 pmI'm pretty happy with what this gives us for candidates qualification from the World Cup. I was worried earlier we would get three qualifiers who had no realistic chance of becoming world champion. But Wei Yi and Sindarov are both serious contenders. The later particularly given his age.
I suspect the third qualifier will be an also ran in the candidates, I would like to replace him and Bluebaum with a couple of the top 10 rated players who have not qualified. But I appreciate "players Paul reckons could win the World Championship" lacks something as a qualifying methodology even if it would give consistently good outcomes.
I am not sure how one can devise a system which gives every strong player a theoretical chance of qualifying and yet eliminates the possibility of unlikely qualifiers. Thirty years ago it was not such a problem because the number of capable players lurking just outside the world top 16 was not so high, but now anyone in the top 150 can give a very good game to anyone - including those at the very top.
- Christopher Kreuzer
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Re: FIDE World Cup 30 October - 27 November 2025
While the focus will be on whether Esipenko or Yakubboev (single 'k', double 'b', -oev ending) will win and qualify for the Candidates, who would like to pick a winner between Wei Yi and Sindarov?
I will go for Sindarov as Wei Yi seems to be low on energy, though both will be on a high after qualifying.
I will go for Sindarov as Wei Yi seems to be low on energy, though both will be on a high after qualifying.
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LawrenceCooper
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Re: FIDE World Cup 30 October - 27 November 2025
It's one of the few events where I don't really care about the final but can't wait for the 3rd/4th place play-off. For obvious reasons it's normally the total opposite.Christopher Kreuzer wrote: ↑Sun Nov 23, 2025 1:44 pmWhile the focus will be on whether Esipenko or Yakubboev (single 'k', double 'b', -oev ending) will win and qualify for the Candidates, who would like to pick a winner between Wei Yi and Sindarov?
I will go for Sindarov as Wei Yi seems to be low on energy, though both will be on a high after qualifying.
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Re: FIDE World Cup 30 October - 27 November 2025
"Wei Yi was lucky there." or was Esipenko unlucky?
You rarely hear of a player after making such a blunder as being unlucky.
Esipenko will have a bit of trouble of shaking that one off, so in that respect I'd make Yakubboev the favourite because he will sleep better tonight. (yes the 3rd place play-off is over shadowing who actually wins the world cup.)
Partly agree with Jonathan that anyone in the 150 if they play well enough and seize their chance belong in the candidates. I'd say the top 50. Take out Magnus and you could not with any degree of certainty say who would beat who in this event. And even then it took Magnus a few times to finally win it.
You rarely hear of a player after making such a blunder as being unlucky.
Esipenko will have a bit of trouble of shaking that one off, so in that respect I'd make Yakubboev the favourite because he will sleep better tonight. (yes the 3rd place play-off is over shadowing who actually wins the world cup.)
Partly agree with Jonathan that anyone in the 150 if they play well enough and seize their chance belong in the candidates. I'd say the top 50. Take out Magnus and you could not with any degree of certainty say who would beat who in this event. And even then it took Magnus a few times to finally win it.
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Mick Norris
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Re: FIDE World Cup 30 October - 27 November 2025
It probably demonstrates that the winners of both the Grand Prix and World Cup are worthy Candidates but the runners up less soPaul Cooksey wrote: ↑Sun Nov 23, 2025 1:09 pmI'm pretty happy with what this gives us for candidates qualification from the World Cup. I was worried earlier we would get three qualifiers who had no realistic chance of becoming world champion. But Wei Yi and Sindarov are both serious contenders. The later particularly given his age.
I suspect the third qualifier will be an also ran in the candidates, I would like to replace him and Bluebaum with a couple of the top 10 rated players who have not qualified. But I appreciate "players Paul reckons could win the World Championship" lacks something as a qualifying methodology even if it would give consistently good outcomes.
Is there actually a need for 8 Candidates rather than, say, 6?
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LawrenceCooper
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Re: FIDE World Cup 30 October - 27 November 2025
I've long thought that I was the only person who thought that, so happy to hear that I'm not alone. I've always felt that 14 rounds is too long and would prefer 6 players and 10 rounds. Two to qualify from the Grand Swiss, two from the World Cup and two from the FIDE Circuit.Mick Norris wrote: ↑Sun Nov 23, 2025 3:45 pmIt probably demonstrates that the winners of both the Grand Prix and World Cup are worthy Candidates but the runners up less soPaul Cooksey wrote: ↑Sun Nov 23, 2025 1:09 pmI'm pretty happy with what this gives us for candidates qualification from the World Cup. I was worried earlier we would get three qualifiers who had no realistic chance of becoming world champion. But Wei Yi and Sindarov are both serious contenders. The later particularly given his age.
I suspect the third qualifier will be an also ran in the candidates, I would like to replace him and Bluebaum with a couple of the top 10 rated players who have not qualified. But I appreciate "players Paul reckons could win the World Championship" lacks something as a qualifying methodology even if it would give consistently good outcomes.
Is there actually a need for 8 Candidates rather than, say, 6?
I realise that many people will say that would be too short and denies two players the opportunity which is why I've tended to keep such thoughts to myself.
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Re: FIDE World Cup 30 October - 27 November 2025
I like having longer tournaments on the whole, we don't need to speed everything up all the time.
And how long did the 1953 event take again?
And how long did the 1953 event take again?
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Mick Norris
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Re: FIDE World Cup 30 October - 27 November 2025
Great minds think alike/fools seldom differ, delete as applicableLawrenceCooper wrote: ↑Sun Nov 23, 2025 3:53 pmI've long thought that I was the only person who thought that, so happy to hear that I'm not alone. I've always felt that 14 rounds is too long and would prefer 6 players and 10 rounds. Two to qualify from the Grand Swiss, two from the World Cup and two from the FIDE Circuit.Mick Norris wrote: ↑Sun Nov 23, 2025 3:45 pmIt probably demonstrates that the winners of both the Grand Prix and World Cup are worthy Candidates but the runners up less soPaul Cooksey wrote: ↑Sun Nov 23, 2025 1:09 pmI'm pretty happy with what this gives us for candidates qualification from the World Cup. I was worried earlier we would get three qualifiers who had no realistic chance of becoming world champion. But Wei Yi and Sindarov are both serious contenders. The later particularly given his age.
I suspect the third qualifier will be an also ran in the candidates, I would like to replace him and Bluebaum with a couple of the top 10 rated players who have not qualified. But I appreciate "players Paul reckons could win the World Championship" lacks something as a qualifying methodology even if it would give consistently good outcomes.
Is there actually a need for 8 Candidates rather than, say, 6?
I realise that many people will say that would be too short and denies two players the opportunity which is why I've tended to keep such thoughts to myself.
Any postings on here represent my personal views
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Mick Norris
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Re: FIDE World Cup 30 October - 27 November 2025
4 Candidates playing each other 4 times each thenMatt Mackenzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 23, 2025 4:22 pmI like having longer tournaments on the whole, we don't need to speed everything up all the time.
And how long did the 1953 event take again?
I would like to go back to Interzonals and Candidate Matches, but no chance of that
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James Pratt
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Re: FIDE World Cup 30 October - 27 November 2025
I like having longer tournaments on the whole, we don't need to speed everything up all the time.
And how long did the 1953 event take again?
Matt's question is easily answered. It will take as long as people keep recommending Bronstein's dear old book!
James
And how long did the 1953 event take again?
Matt's question is easily answered. It will take as long as people keep recommending Bronstein's dear old book!
James
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LawrenceCooper
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Re: FIDE World Cup 30 October - 27 November 2025
Sindarov-Wei Yi draw game 1. The 3rd/4th place play-off appears to be turning in Esipenko's favour with Yakubboev short of time in an ending that is becoming problematic.