Transgender chess players
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Re: Media comments on chess
Thanks, interesting. Does the article have a link to the FIDE announcement hiding somewhere? I can't find it.Kevin Thurlow wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 9:06 amhttps://www.independent.co.uk/sport/fid ... 94457.html
I think I do need to see it because apparently, as a QC Councillor, I shall from next Monday have responsibility for ruling on which transgender applications may be accepted.
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https://www.fide.com/news/2580?fbclid=I ... s1AvTnM-acNickFaulks wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 10:03 amThanks, interesting. Does the article have a link to the FIDE announcement hiding somewhere? I can't find it.Kevin Thurlow wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 9:06 amhttps://www.independent.co.uk/sport/fid ... 94457.html
I think I do need to see it because apparently, as a QC Councillor, I shall from next Monday have responsibility for ruling on which transgender applications may be accepted.
"CM2-2023/45 To approve FIDE Policy on Transgender Chess Players Registration, effective from August 21, 2023."
https://doc.fide.com/docs/DOC/2FC2023/C ... 3DLfgwhrhI
It has attracted quite a lot of attention on Twitter, one example being: https://twitter.com/IglesiasYosha/statu ... 41/photo/1
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Re: Media comments on chess
https://doc.fide.com/docs/DOC/2FC2023/CM2_2023_45.pdfNickFaulks wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 10:03 amThanks, interesting. Does the article have a link to the FIDE announcement hiding somewhere? I can't find it.
I think I do need to see it because apparently, as a QC Councillor, I shall from next Monday have responsibility for ruling on which transgender applications may be accepted.
It only seems to cover a player requesting a change of gender, but not what should happen if a gender change occurs without such a request, e.g. a woman transitions to a man, says nothing to FIDE or their national federation and tries to continue playing in women only events.
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Nigel has now waded in with his thoughts on Facebook. I assume from his language "fanatism" and "rabid extremists" that the opinions expressed are his own and not on behalf of FIDE.LawrenceCooper wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 10:21 amhttps://www.fide.com/news/2580?fbclid=I ... s1AvTnM-acNickFaulks wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 10:03 amThanks, interesting. Does the article have a link to the FIDE announcement hiding somewhere? I can't find it.Kevin Thurlow wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 9:06 amhttps://www.independent.co.uk/sport/fid ... 94457.html
I think I do need to see it because apparently, as a QC Councillor, I shall from next Monday have responsibility for ruling on which transgender applications may be accepted.
"CM2-2023/45 To approve FIDE Policy on Transgender Chess Players Registration, effective from August 21, 2023."
https://doc.fide.com/docs/DOC/2FC2023/C ... 3DLfgwhrhI
It has attracted quite a lot of attention on Twitter, one example being: https://twitter.com/IglesiasYosha/statu ... 41/photo/1
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Thanks. I did see this in draft and, while agreeing entirely with the principle, pointed out parts which I thought would not fly. They are still there.LawrenceCooper wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 12:16 pmhttps://doc.fide.com/docs/DOC/2FC2023/C ... 3DLfgwhrhI
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Re: Media comments on chess
now reported in the Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/ ... akes-place
The headline is a little misleading as there's no prohibition on anyone (except computers) from entering Open events.
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Re: Media comments on chess
Also by the BBC. It's their No. 5 most read article at the moment.Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 11:17 pmnow reported in the Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/ ... akes-place
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"Yosha Iglesias, a trans woman professional chess player with the FIDE rank of chess master, said the policy would lead to "unnecessary harm" for trans players and women."
An FM changed gender and was expecting to get the title of national women's champion but now apparently won't. This does at least answer those who have been saying don't worry, this will never be a significant issue.
I have never seen a convincing explanation of why having grown up as a boy is advantageous for a chess player. Just don't tell me it isn't.
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You would have to buy in to the concept of "brain hard-wired for chess".NickFaulks wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 10:09 amI have never seen a convincing explanation of why having grown up as a boy is advantageous for a chess player.
But isn't the point really one of eligibility? If there's an insistence that there should be separate competitions, titles, reserved places in team competitions, special prize money etc., then there needs definition as to who is and isn't eligible.
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Here is the German chess federation point of view about eligibility to women competitions: if a person is legally recognized as a woman they are eligible for women chess competitions.
https://twitter.com/Schachbund/status/1 ... 90481?s=20
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No you absolutely wouldn't. That is the sort of nonsense that is causing much of the unpleasantness surrounding women's chess.Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 12:16 pmYou would have to buy in to the concept of "brain hard-wired for chess".
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That puts up some sort of barrier. Otherwise why would it not be possible for a top 50 or 100 GM to declare that "he was a she", demand entry to the Women's World Cup on rating, do enough to qualify for the Women's Candidates and then compete for or win the Women's World Championship? Would that have been in the back of the mind of those at FIDE drafting the statement. By no means a pushover to do this but an outcome within the parameters of the respective ratings.Paolo Casaschi wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 12:48 pm(in Germany) if a person is legally recognized as a woman they are eligible for women chess competitions.
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Not really, where there is a policy of self identification.
Certainly mine, but mostly FIDE has just been under siege from federations demanding an official policy. Other people are of course questioning why they would waste their time on this - you can't win!Would that have been in the back of the mind of those at FIDE drafting the statement.
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Do you really think that anyone would go through a gender reassignment process in order to achieve the glory and the financial gains associated with the women chess world championship title? Really?Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 5:13 pmThat puts up some sort of barrier. Otherwise why would it not be possible for a top 50 or 100 GM to declare that "he was a she", demand entry to the Women's World Cup on rating, do enough to qualify for the Women's Candidates and then compete for or win the Women's World Championship? Would that have been in the back of the mind of those at FIDE drafting the statement. By no means a pushover to do this but an outcome within the parameters of the respective ratings.Paolo Casaschi wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 12:48 pm(in Germany) if a person is legally recognized as a woman they are eligible for women chess competitions.
Even more surprising this concern coming from the same organisation that allows players to change nationality at will.