FIDE Online Olympiad 22 July to 30 August 2020
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Jonathan Rogers
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Re: FIDE Online Olympiad 22 July to 30 August 2020
I don't think we have much of a chance really, but those who wish to hope should note that Croatia have now lost narrowly to Russia and Armenia. (Gosh they had tough starting pairings!). So, we now ask, might they now be a bit deflated and have a real accident?
For it is clear now that Russia and Armenia are to qualify, Armenia being just as dangerous after all.
For it is clear now that Russia and Armenia are to qualify, Armenia being just as dangerous after all.
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John Moore
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Re: FIDE Online Olympiad 22 July to 30 August 2020
Croatia have already had an accident losing 5.5-0.5 to a tough looking Romanian team. If we are to have any sort of chance of third place, it looks like we will need to beat Bulgaria, who look well placed.
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Mick Norris
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Re: FIDE Online Olympiad 22 July to 30 August 2020
Bulgaria have beaten Armenia and Romania, lost to Russia, drawn with Egypt and Turkey
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John Moore
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Re: FIDE Online Olympiad 22 July to 30 August 2020
Assuming Russia beat Romania tomorrow, then I think that England need two wins from their matches against Armenia, Romania and Bulgaria to make 3rd place. Assuming that Armenia is beyond them, what are the chances against the other two. Fairly slim, one would imagine.
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Jonathan Rogers
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Re: FIDE Online Olympiad 22 July to 30 August 2020
So it's Bulgaria to worry about rather than Croatia (who did indeed suffer from combat fatigue today; not a single respite against strong opposition).
But it looks very bad against Bulgaria if we are on the same matchpoints, surely; if we do lose to Armenia we may not be able to catch Bulgaria even if we do beat them, assuming gamepoints are the deciding factor. Our gamepoints are dreadful, since when we lose, we lose by 5-1, and when we beat anyone reasonable, it is by 3.5-2.5. (It was even only 4.5-.1.5 against a team half of which literally did not show up).
So what are the tie breaks - head to head result or gamepoints?
Remember though, we were never favourites to finish third under this format anyway. Fifth would be decent.
But it looks very bad against Bulgaria if we are on the same matchpoints, surely; if we do lose to Armenia we may not be able to catch Bulgaria even if we do beat them, assuming gamepoints are the deciding factor. Our gamepoints are dreadful, since when we lose, we lose by 5-1, and when we beat anyone reasonable, it is by 3.5-2.5. (It was even only 4.5-.1.5 against a team half of which literally did not show up).
So what are the tie breaks - head to head result or gamepoints?
Remember though, we were never favourites to finish third under this format anyway. Fifth would be decent.
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Leonard Barden
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Re: FIDE Online Olympiad 22 July to 30 August 2020
Not what we want...Jonathan Rogers wrote: ↑Sat Aug 22, 2020 7:30 pm
So what are the tie breaks - head to head result or gamepoints?
(a) match point totals
(b) game point totals
(c) match point totals in the results between the teams which remain tied
(d) game point totals in the results between the teams which remain tied
(e) Sonneborn-Berger (match points)
(f) Sonneborn-Berger (game points)
(g) drawing of lots
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John Moore
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Re: FIDE Online Olympiad 22 July to 30 August 2020
I can understand the concern about our poor tiebreaks, but if we win against Romania and Bulgaria today (and always provided Russia beats Romania), we will have 12 points and cannot be caught. Bear in mind that Bulgaria start today on 7 points compared to our 8 and two wins would therefore take tiebreaks out of the equation.
Whether we can win these two matches is another matter.
Whether we can win these two matches is another matter.
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Chris Rice
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Re: FIDE Online Olympiad 22 July to 30 August 2020
In Pool A there was a surprise result as India only drew with Mongolia. However, the back story to this was how the Indians lost two of the boards due to a power failure in the Chennai area. This affected Vidit and Humpy Koneru and as a result all the Indian players were asked whether they wanted to move into 5 star hotels. Though its expected that India will still qualify anyway, in the report what caught my attention was:
"Both the Indian players were enjoying a positional advantage when misfortune struck. It is learnt, a request for continuation of the two games from the same position and time was not agreed by the opposite team. The one simple question that begs an answer is why the AICF top brass did not do a checklist on the kind of computers, internet connection, backup for power as well as internet connectivity the players representing the country have and suggest corrective action."
I'm a bit shocked that the Indians even made the request. These days on the servers basically you lose the signal you lose the game, end of. But the second part is certainly an important question as to how professional countries should be. For example look at how professional Russia are being:

I'm guessing there is probably a bunch of IT experts on tap if something goes wrong which won't necessarily be available to players playing from home.
"Both the Indian players were enjoying a positional advantage when misfortune struck. It is learnt, a request for continuation of the two games from the same position and time was not agreed by the opposite team. The one simple question that begs an answer is why the AICF top brass did not do a checklist on the kind of computers, internet connection, backup for power as well as internet connectivity the players representing the country have and suggest corrective action."
I'm a bit shocked that the Indians even made the request. These days on the servers basically you lose the signal you lose the game, end of. But the second part is certainly an important question as to how professional countries should be. For example look at how professional Russia are being:

I'm guessing there is probably a bunch of IT experts on tap if something goes wrong which won't necessarily be available to players playing from home.
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Mick Norris
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Re: FIDE Online Olympiad 22 July to 30 August 2020
TWIC has crosstables, plus the games
Group A - China (12/12) have yet to play India (11) who drew with Mongolia; Germany on 9 have yet to play India, but they look likely to be the 3 qualifiers
Group B - Russia (12), yet to play Armenia (10), with Romania & England (8), Bulgaria (7)
Group C - Hungary (10) have lost to Azerbaijan (8) with Ukraine, Kazakhstan & Spain on 9, so very close
Group D - USA (12) have beaten Greece (9) but are yet to play Peru (8) and Poland (7), so chances for Italy (6) yet to play Greece
Houska, Jovanka vs Lagno, Kateryna
Group A - China (12/12) have yet to play India (11) who drew with Mongolia; Germany on 9 have yet to play India, but they look likely to be the 3 qualifiers
Group B - Russia (12), yet to play Armenia (10), with Romania & England (8), Bulgaria (7)
Group C - Hungary (10) have lost to Azerbaijan (8) with Ukraine, Kazakhstan & Spain on 9, so very close
Group D - USA (12) have beaten Greece (9) but are yet to play Peru (8) and Poland (7), so chances for Italy (6) yet to play Greece
Houska, Jovanka vs Lagno, Kateryna
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LawrenceCooper
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Re: FIDE Online Olympiad 22 July to 30 August 2020
FIDE's summing up of the day:
Day 2 of FIDE Online Chess Olympiad has its all. In three pools strong favorites (China, India, Russia, Armenia, USA) completely dominate. Only Team India lost one match point due to power failure & disconnection.
Pool B is on the other hand wide open - five teams (Hungary, Kazakhstan, Ukraine, Spain & Azerbaijan) fight for three play-off spots.
Day 2 report on the official site - https://olymp.fide.com/…/dyx9zutdpj-chi ... -russia-an…
Leaders after Day 2:
Pool A: 1. China - 12. 2. India - 11
Pool B: 1. Hungary - 10
Pool C: 1. Russia - 12. 2. Armenia - 10
Pool D: 1. USA - 12
Day 2 of FIDE Online Chess Olympiad has its all. In three pools strong favorites (China, India, Russia, Armenia, USA) completely dominate. Only Team India lost one match point due to power failure & disconnection.
Pool B is on the other hand wide open - five teams (Hungary, Kazakhstan, Ukraine, Spain & Azerbaijan) fight for three play-off spots.
Day 2 report on the official site - https://olymp.fide.com/…/dyx9zutdpj-chi ... -russia-an…
Leaders after Day 2:
Pool A: 1. China - 12. 2. India - 11
Pool B: 1. Hungary - 10
Pool C: 1. Russia - 12. 2. Armenia - 10
Pool D: 1. USA - 12
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LawrenceCooper
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Re: FIDE Online Olympiad 22 July to 30 August 2020
India top their group:
Bo. 6 India Rtg - 4 China Rtg 4 : 2
2.1 GM Vidit, Santosh Gujrathi 2636 - GM Ding, Liren 2836 ½ - ½
2.2 GM Harikrishna, Pentala 2690 - GM Yu, Yangyi 2738 ½ - ½
2.3 GM Koneru, Humpy 2483 - GM Hou, Yifan 2621 ½ - ½
2.4 GM Harika, Dronavalli 2450 - GM Ju, Wenjun 2610 ½ - ½
2.5 GM Praggnanandhaa, R 1781 - GM Liu, Yan 2427 1 - 0
2.6 WIM Divya, Deshmukh 1775 - WGM Zhu, Jiner 2326 1 - 0
Bo. 6 India Rtg - 4 China Rtg 4 : 2
2.1 GM Vidit, Santosh Gujrathi 2636 - GM Ding, Liren 2836 ½ - ½
2.2 GM Harikrishna, Pentala 2690 - GM Yu, Yangyi 2738 ½ - ½
2.3 GM Koneru, Humpy 2483 - GM Hou, Yifan 2621 ½ - ½
2.4 GM Harika, Dronavalli 2450 - GM Ju, Wenjun 2610 ½ - ½
2.5 GM Praggnanandhaa, R 1781 - GM Liu, Yan 2427 1 - 0
2.6 WIM Divya, Deshmukh 1775 - WGM Zhu, Jiner 2326 1 - 0
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LawrenceCooper
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Re: FIDE Online Olympiad 22 July to 30 August 2020
Ranking crosstable
Rk. Team 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 TB1 TB2 TB3
1 India * 4 4½ 4 3 4 4½ 5½ 4 6 17 39,5 0
2 China 2 * 4½ 4 3½ 5 4½ 5 4½ 6 16 39,0 0
3 Germany 1½ 1½ * 3½ 4½ 3 3½ 1½ 3½ 6 11 28,5 0
4 Iran 2 2 2½ * 2½ 3½ 3 5 4 5½ 9 30,0 0
5 Mongolia 3 2½ 1½ 3½ * 3 2 4 2 6 8 27,5 1
6 Georgia 2 1 3 2½ 3 * 4 4½ 2 5½ 8 27,5 1
7 Indonesia 1½ 1½ 2½ 3 4 2 * 3 3½ 6 8 27,0 0
8 Uzbekistan½ 1 4½ 1 2 1½ 3 * 3½ 5½ 7 22,5 0
9 Vietnam 2 1½ 2½ 2 4 4 2½ 2½ * 6 6 27,0 0
10 Zimbabwe 0 0 0 ½ 0 ½ 0 ½ 0 * 0 1,5 0
Rk. Team 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 TB1 TB2 TB3
1 India * 4 4½ 4 3 4 4½ 5½ 4 6 17 39,5 0
2 China 2 * 4½ 4 3½ 5 4½ 5 4½ 6 16 39,0 0
3 Germany 1½ 1½ * 3½ 4½ 3 3½ 1½ 3½ 6 11 28,5 0
4 Iran 2 2 2½ * 2½ 3½ 3 5 4 5½ 9 30,0 0
5 Mongolia 3 2½ 1½ 3½ * 3 2 4 2 6 8 27,5 1
6 Georgia 2 1 3 2½ 3 * 4 4½ 2 5½ 8 27,5 1
7 Indonesia 1½ 1½ 2½ 3 4 2 * 3 3½ 6 8 27,0 0
8 Uzbekistan½ 1 4½ 1 2 1½ 3 * 3½ 5½ 7 22,5 0
9 Vietnam 2 1½ 2½ 2 4 4 2½ 2½ * 6 6 27,0 0
10 Zimbabwe 0 0 0 ½ 0 ½ 0 ½ 0 * 0 1,5 0
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Kevin Thurlow
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Re: FIDE Online Olympiad 22 July to 30 August 2020
"GM Praggnanandhaa, R 1781"
I wouldn't want to play him with that rating!
I wouldn't want to play him with that rating!
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Mick Norris
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Re: FIDE Online Olympiad 22 July to 30 August 2020
So if we finish 3rd we play China next
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John Moore
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Re: FIDE Online Olympiad 22 July to 30 August 2020
Mick, I thought if we finished 3rd, we would play the second placed team in Group D but I have no idea where I saw that.