Tradewise Gibraltar Masters 2017

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Re: Tradewise Gibraltar Masters 2017

Post by LawrenceCooper » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:57 am

Peter Shaw wrote:What on earth is going on in the Hou Yifan game?
The commentators said they thought it was a protest against the pairings but totally out of character.

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Re: Tradewise Gibraltar Masters 2017

Post by JustinHorton » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:27 am

Speculation is that this is about the pairing Fridman-Zatonskih (they're married).
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Re: Tradewise Gibraltar Masters 2017

Post by Roger de Coverly » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:42 am

JustinHorton wrote:Speculation is that this is about the pairing Fridman-Zatonskih (they're married).
There's a backdoor method in most pairing software to prevent particular pairings. Arbiters use it to avoid pairings of some nationalities against players from Israel. But do they also use it for family members? Apparently not, as Gibraltar has already had a father/daughter pairing.

That's quite a difficult one, as to whether it's right or wrong to allow/disallow such pairings. It's a periodic problem in the British Championship as to whether to pair the Perts. Perhaps pairing family members in a last round should be disallowed. It's a rule that, if in place, should be made public before the tournament starts.

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Re: Tradewise Gibraltar Masters 2017

Post by Joshua Gibbs » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:52 am

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Re: Tradewise Gibraltar Masters 2017

Post by Joshua Gibbs » Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:01 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
JustinHorton wrote:Speculation is that this is about the pairing Fridman-Zatonskih (they're married).
There's a backdoor method in most pairing software to prevent particular pairings. Arbiters use it to avoid pairings of some nationalities against players from Israel. But do they also use it for family members? Apparently not, as Gibraltar has already had a father/daughter pairing.

That's quite a difficult one, as to whether it's right or wrong to allow/disallow such pairings. It's a periodic problem in the British Championship as to whether to pair the Perts. Perhaps pairing family members in a last round should be disallowed. It's a rule that, if in place, should be made public before the tournament starts.
My personal belief is that if you are playing in a tournament you should play whoever you are paired with. I dont want to go into Politics but the flag I side with is all over my facebook, and id boycott a tournament sooner than play an extrememist of the other side.

I dont see why family members should be any different to seconds and firsts (Topalov and Cheparinov) playing each other
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Re: Tradewise Gibraltar Masters 2017

Post by Tim Harding » Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:07 pm

Fridman pairing should not have been allowed in my opinion because of the high prize money for women in this event. If her husband had lost, the wife Anna Zakonskikh finishes on 7 points and will be second or second equal. In fact they have just drawn which cannot be criticised.

It's not quite clear whether this was Hou Yifan's objection; according to a brief interview with a chess.com executive just now she will speak later. He thought it might have something to do with the fact that she was paired with 7 women during the event - perhaps not objecting to that as such, but it raises suspicions that the draw might have had some built-in bias throughout the event. The organisers (or appeal committee) already over-ruled a protest over tournament leader Anton getting six whites including in the crucial last round,

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Re: Tradewise Gibraltar Masters 2017

Post by Joshua Gibbs » Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:08 pm

Tim Harding wrote:Fridman pairing should not have been allowed in my opinion because of the high prize money for women in this event. If her husband had lost, the wife Anna Zakonskikh finishes on 7 points and will be second or second equal. In fact they have just drawn which cannot be criticised.
Wouldn't first and second like I said be the same?
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Re: Tradewise Gibraltar Masters 2017

Post by Jonathan Bryant » Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:10 pm

JustinHorton wrote:Speculation is that this is about the pairing Fridman-Zatonskih (they're married).

What’s curious, but perhaps not surprising, is that chess24 and others are reluctant to describe the actions truthfully - i.e she chucked a game.


Tajei called it and I have just noticed Mark Crowther too. Why the need others feel the need to be so coy is beyond me. Not surprising, though, I’m afraid.

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Re: Tradewise Gibraltar Masters 2017

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:15 pm

This may end up overshadowing the other chess going on, which would be a shame.

I liked this comment on Chessbomb:

"no idea how much old Adams has still left in the tank, but stirring a bit would make sense with respect to the tournament situation"

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Re: Tradewise Gibraltar Masters 2017

Post by Joshua Gibbs » Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:16 pm

Christopher Kreuzer wrote:This may end up overshadowing the other chess going on, which would be a shame.

I liked this comment on Chessbomb:

"no idea how much old Adams has still left in the tank, but stirring a bit would make sense with respect to the tournament situation"

:D
i'll do a poll for favourite chessbomb troll ;)

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Re: Tradewise Gibraltar Masters 2017

Post by Thomas Rendle » Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:18 pm

I'm not sure it's a case of being coy - everyone can see she deliberately lost the game, and I don't see anyone pretending anything otherwise.

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Re: Tradewise Gibraltar Masters 2017

Post by Carl Hibbard » Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:21 pm

Tim Harding wrote:Fridman pairing should not have been allowed in my opinion because of the high prize money for women in this event. If her husband had lost, the wife Anna Zakonskikh finishes on 7 points and will be second or second equal. In fact they have just drawn which cannot be criticised.

It's not quite clear whether this was Hou Yifan's objection; according to a brief interview with a chess.com executive just now she will speak later. He thought it might have something to do with the fact that she was paired with 7 women during the event - perhaps not objecting to that as such, but it raises suspicions that the draw might have had some built-in bias throughout the event. The organisers (or appeal committee) already over-ruled a protest over tournament leader Anton getting six whites including in the crucial last round,

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I never saw an image?

Joshua again?
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Re: Tradewise Gibraltar Masters 2017

Post by Joshua Gibbs » Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:24 pm

Carl Hibbard wrote:
Tim Harding wrote:Fridman pairing should not have been allowed in my opinion because of the high prize money for women in this event. If her husband had lost, the wife Anna Zakonskikh finishes on 7 points and will be second or second equal. In fact they have just drawn which cannot be criticised.

It's not quite clear whether this was Hou Yifan's objection; according to a brief interview with a chess.com executive just now she will speak later. He thought it might have something to do with the fact that she was paired with 7 women during the event - perhaps not objecting to that as such, but it raises suspicions that the draw might have had some built-in bias throughout the event. The organisers (or appeal committee) already over-ruled a protest over tournament leader Anton getting six whites including in the crucial last round,

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I never saw an image?

Joshua again?
I posted an image of someone eating popcorn at the cinema to show that the public who don't know much about chess, would be entertained by this. I don't see how its disgusting. I just googled popcorn GIF

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Re: Tradewise Gibraltar Masters 2017

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:29 pm

It is a widespread Michael Jackson popcorn-eating meme:

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/popcorn-gifs

It is not particularly offensive. It is a bit old and past its sell-by-date.

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Re: Tradewise Gibraltar Masters 2017

Post by Joshua Gibbs » Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:31 pm

Christopher Kreuzer wrote:It is a widespread Michael Jackson popcorn-eating meme:

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/popcorn-gifs

It is not particularly offensive. It is a bit old and past its sell-by-date.
kinda the reason I chose it

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