WC Match 2016 - New York 10-30 November

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Re: WC Match 2016 - New York 10-30 November

Post by Carl Hibbard » Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:49 pm

MartinCarpenter wrote:Thrills. The white players really are finding some amusingly odd things to do with their rooks right now!
Boring already game 3 I am sorry to say.
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Re: WC Match 2016 - New York 10-30 November

Post by Graham Borrowdale » Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:11 pm

I know the game is a bit dull, but is everyone watching Children In Need? Anyway, another R+N v R+B ending, and I can't quite be sure who might be claiming a slight edge.

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Re: WC Match 2016 - New York 10-30 November

Post by AustinElliott » Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:53 pm

So far it is - and I never thought I would say this - making the two Carlsen-Anand matches look exciting.

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Re: WC Match 2016 - New York 10-30 November

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Mon Nov 14, 2016 10:03 pm

Well, I thought those matches *were* quite interesting tbh ;)

Anand-Gelfand may be a better comparison if this cat and mouse stuff carries on.......
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Re: WC Match 2016 - New York 10-30 November

Post by MartinCarpenter » Mon Nov 14, 2016 10:17 pm

Has to be said, the way this is going is hardly to discourage Carlsen from keeping at it, even if Karjakin does save this one.
(As he may well, being as mega stubborn as he is!).

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Re: WC Match 2016 - New York 10-30 November

Post by Roger de Coverly » Mon Nov 14, 2016 11:13 pm

MartinCarpenter wrote:Has to be said, the way this is going is hardly to discourage Carlsen from keeping at it, even if Karjakin does save this one.
Carlsen is now playing an ending with an extra pawn. A win on adjudication then for traditionalists. Otherwise it's a style of play that if both players make 20 out of 20 accurate moves, then It's a draw. Perhaps Carlsen's premise is that he will make 20/20 while his opponents will manage 19. ( Currently move 45)

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Re: WC Match 2016 - New York 10-30 November

Post by NickFaulks » Tue Nov 15, 2016 1:12 am

We've seen this so many times. Carlsen shuffles the pieces until his opponent dozes off, then pounces. It's supremely effective, but will people really pay money to watch it?
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Re: WC Match 2016 - New York 10-30 November

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Tue Nov 15, 2016 2:02 am

Except, of course, that he didn't win it - Karjakin showed what a superb defender he is.
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Re: WC Match 2016 - New York 10-30 November

Post by JustinHorton » Tue Nov 15, 2016 7:17 am

Well what an interesting game I seem to have missed by going to bed about midnight.

The engines don't seem to have been a lot of help, do they?
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Re: WC Match 2016 - New York 10-30 November

Post by LawrenceCooper » Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:26 am

Carl Hibbard wrote:
MartinCarpenter wrote:Thrills. The white players really are finding some amusingly odd things to do with their rooks right now!
Boring already game 3 I am sorry to say.
https://chess24.com/en/read/news/carlse ... ame-3-epic

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Re: WC Match 2016 - New York 10-30 November

Post by Mick Norris » Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:35 am

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Re: WC Match 2016 - New York 10-30 November

Post by Carl Hibbard » Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:57 am

LawrenceCooper wrote:
Carl Hibbard wrote:
MartinCarpenter wrote:Thrills. The white players really are finding some amusingly odd things to do with their rooks right now!
Boring already game 3 I am sorry to say.
https://chess24.com/en/read/news/carlse ... ame-3-epic
I turned it off a bit early then.
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Re: WC Match 2016 - New York 10-30 November

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:16 am

Chessbase report is good:

http://en.chessbase.com/post/newsblog-w ... 2016-11-15

Nice anecdotes from Yasser Seirawan (from move 66 onwards) about the dinner table analysis being done by Caruana, Anand, Nakamura and Topalov in Saint Louis!

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Re: WC Match 2016 - New York 10-30 November

Post by MJMcCready » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:10 pm

With such a long game yesterday, you wonder whether Karjakin will be full of beans and stick it to Carlsen...I fear not.

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Re: WC Match 2016 - New York 10-30 November

Post by Graham Borrowdale » Tue Nov 15, 2016 1:02 pm

Well, Karjakin managed to hold serve by the skin of his teeth. I must admit I generally prefer watching positional struggles to flashy attacks, but I am left with the impression that this was Carlsen trying to provoke his opponent into very minor inaccuracies, so the game seemed to lack 'flow'. I guess at this level that is the only way to try to win.

The question now is whether Karjakin will have energy to try to win with white in game 4, or whether we will see another short draw, followed by Carlsen breaking through in game 5. The 3rd option, Karjakin imploding with white, would be too horrific (for him) to contemplate, but is possible too. So that's me sitting on a 3-sided fence in predicting the outcome of game 4.

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