2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

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Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by Jonathan Bryant » Sun Mar 27, 2016 7:33 pm

Mick Norris wrote:
Jonathan Bryant wrote:Any tie-break in a all-play-all is going to be absurd, in some sense, I suppose.
Short of a later match between 2 tied players, or another double round APA limited to those in the tie, then yes you are right

Apparently New in Chess were right all along.

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Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by JustinHorton » Sun Mar 27, 2016 7:42 pm

Heh. Well I think the arbiter is wrong there. I can't see where he's getting that.
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Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by JustinHorton » Sun Mar 27, 2016 7:46 pm

Nalimov has frozen on my computer...
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Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by Barry Sandercock » Sun Mar 27, 2016 7:48 pm

Karjakin has drawn on move 101.

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Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by IM Jack Rudd » Sun Mar 27, 2016 7:53 pm

There was a qualification place for Euro 2016 that hung on the result of the last-day game between already eliminated Latvia and already eliminated Kazakhstan. That one was fun.

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Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by JustinHorton » Sun Mar 27, 2016 8:05 pm

Eh?

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Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by Mick Norris » Sun Mar 27, 2016 8:14 pm

Caruana now has a win?
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Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by JustinHorton » Sun Mar 27, 2016 8:15 pm

He does, but

(a) it may not be in time to beat the 50-move rule
(b) he doesn't seem to know he's winning!
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Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by Mick Norris » Sun Mar 27, 2016 8:26 pm

Draw, pity
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Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by Peter Shaw » Sun Mar 27, 2016 8:35 pm

JustinHorton wrote:He does, but

(a) it may not be in time to beat the 50-move rule
(b) he doesn't seem to know he's winning!
I think if he'd played the correct move 105. Rb2 he ends up taking the rook on move 114 so would have had a couple of moves to spare.

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Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by Jonathan Bryant » Sun Mar 27, 2016 8:39 pm

It’s quite something that even at this late stage, it’s still possible to make this event an even bigger organisational balls up than it already was. Shame since the chess itself has been pretty good.

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Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by JustinHorton » Sun Mar 27, 2016 8:40 pm

Latest: arbiter changes his mind, Caruana would win three-way tie-break
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Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by Mick Norris » Sun Mar 27, 2016 8:56 pm

JustinHorton wrote:Latest: arbiter changes his mind, Caruana would win three-way tie-break
It seemed clear to me (as opposed to reasonable, or even fair depending on your viewpoint)

Does make it slightly more complicated for Caruana - Vlad went for it in London, and retrospectively a solid draw would have been enough

They all must be tired, but I can't see Vishy going all out for a win with black to be honest
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Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by Mick Norris » Sun Mar 27, 2016 9:02 pm

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Tie-breaks (Important): If Caruana, Karjakin and Anand share the first place - Caruana qualifies on the best tie-break. If Caruana and Karjakin share the first place - Karjakin qualifies.
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Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by Mick Norris » Sun Mar 27, 2016 9:07 pm

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JustinHorton wrote:Anand-Giri drawn, so Giri is out of it. (I don't think Anand is out of it unless Caruana manages to win.)

Has anybody worked out a table for a 7-player APA imagining that Toppy didn’t turn up. Literally didn’t turn up in a hypothetical world, I mean, as opposed to metaphorically as in the real one.
More interesting would be if J'adoubeamura had been thrown out for cheating

Vishy would then be half a point clear of Caruana & Karjakin
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