2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

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Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by JustinHorton » Sat Mar 12, 2016 2:22 pm

MJMcCready wrote:Can't we talk about the chess instead of its broadcast?
Being able to do the former rather depends on the latter
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Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by MJMcCready » Sat Mar 12, 2016 2:25 pm

We know where the broadcasts are already so I don't agree.

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Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by Richard Bates » Sat Mar 12, 2016 2:29 pm

The official site really is terrible isn't it? No moves (no doubt deliberate), viewer has to refresh boards to discover if any moves have been made (and because of the former, one is left completely in the dark as to how the position developed from where you last saw it (pre-refresh). I wonder what the commentators are using?

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Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by MJMcCready » Sat Mar 12, 2016 2:30 pm

Caruana V Giri move 18 does not look like it began as a Lopez?

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Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by Paolo Casaschi » Sat Mar 12, 2016 2:31 pm

Richard Bates wrote:I must say i'm a bit confused about all this exposure the sponsors are apparently expecting. I've gone on the official site and watching the games i'm none the wiser as to who the sponsors are.
You might think that those sponsor do not really want to appear on an very unstable website run by a company that is upsetting their potential advertisement targets.
In any case, the official event website http://moscow2016.fide.com shows "Tashir Group" as only sponsor (apparently a Russian real estate group according to wikipedia).

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Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by JustinHorton » Sat Mar 12, 2016 2:34 pm

Richard Bates wrote:The official site really is terrible isn't it? No moves (no doubt deliberate), viewer has to refresh boards to discover if any moves have been made (and because of the former, one is left completely in the dark as to how the position developed from where you last saw it (pre-refresh). I wonder what the commentators are using?
Well yesterday they were using Chessbomb

Having no game score is a bit like having cricket commentary where you can know the current score but not see the scorecard.
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Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by Richard Bates » Sat Mar 12, 2016 2:37 pm

JustinHorton wrote:
Richard Bates wrote:The official site really is terrible isn't it? No moves (no doubt deliberate), viewer has to refresh boards to discover if any moves have been made (and because of the former, one is left completely in the dark as to how the position developed from where you last saw it (pre-refresh). I wonder what the commentators are using?
Well yesterday they were using Chessbomb

Having no game score is a bit like having cricket commentary where you can know the current score but not see the scorecard.
No clocks either! Might as well be Labordonnais-McDonnell ;)

EDIT: i see you can access those if you watch each game individually
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Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by NickFaulks » Sat Mar 12, 2016 2:37 pm

MJMcCready wrote:Caruana V Giri is fascinating don't you think?
Yermo's view is that Caruana blindly followed a line which his computer said was better for him, then couldn't work out what he was supposed to like about his position. It's true that he does seem to have struggled to find any coherent plan.
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Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by Ian Thompson » Sat Mar 12, 2016 2:45 pm

Richard Bates wrote:What is the Norwegian link, btw?
http://www.nrk.no/sport/sjakk/
Richard Bates wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if this is the key to the whole thing, because it is probably sourcing from there that the other sites were relying upon as their defence against any ban. Agon's case is that it is not possible to source the moves other than from their site, and the Norwegian outsourcing is a massively loophole that they had initially overlooked.
They seem to have fixed that loophole, at least temporarily, because the NRK site is still not updating. :)

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Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by Richard Bates » Sat Mar 12, 2016 2:52 pm

Ian Thompson wrote:
Richard Bates wrote:What is the Norwegian link, btw?
http://www.nrk.no/sport/sjakk/
Richard Bates wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if this is the key to the whole thing, because it is probably sourcing from there that the other sites were relying upon as their defence against any ban. Agon's case is that it is not possible to source the moves other than from their site, and the Norwegian outsourcing is a massively loophole that they had initially overlooked.
They seem to have fixed that loophole, at least temporarily, because the NRK site is still not updating. :)
Indeed! Of course if everyone is broadcasting they can all claim that they are sourcing themselves from one of the others anyway :) Certainly nobody would be sourcing from the official site out of choice, so impossible is it to follow!

Aronian-Anand drawn.

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Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by NickFaulks » Sat Mar 12, 2016 3:04 pm

Richard Bates wrote:so impossible is it to follow!
Indeed correct you are, Master Yoda.
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Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by JustinHorton » Sat Mar 12, 2016 3:24 pm

It seems current thinking after 1. e4 is that White's best bet is to get a poor position in the 4.. d3 Bc5 anti-Berlin and go from there.
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Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by NickFaulks » Sat Mar 12, 2016 3:32 pm

I apologise if I sound like a paid shill for ICC, which I'm really not, but Yermo / Ronen, like Yasser / Dlugy yesterday, are a double act worth the price of admission.
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Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by JustinHorton » Sat Mar 12, 2016 3:32 pm

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Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by Andrew Bak » Sat Mar 12, 2016 3:35 pm

The ICC commentary is usually excellent. They've also been having problems getting the moves though.

What are AGON achieving by pursuing this course of action? They're just making it much harder for people to follow the sport they are trying to promote and get advertisement for.

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