World Cup Baku 10 September to 4 October 2015

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Re: World Cup Baku 10 September to 4 October 2015

Post by Tim Harding » Mon Sep 21, 2015 4:06 pm

Christopher Kreuzer wrote:Oh, my apologies to Wei Yi then!! :shock: (did he play it perfectly or not?)
Take back apology. He had to play Rb3 not Kd5.

Tablebase says Q v R+P ending is drawn objectively. "Still tricky" but should be draw said MVL in interview.

Given clock situation, blunders are definitely possible.

YES, Kh4 loses. Qb1 correct response.
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Re: World Cup Baku 10 September to 4 October 2015

Post by MartinCarpenter » Mon Sep 21, 2015 4:12 pm

Still a bit harsh to blame him for that I'd think :) Esp with so little time for each move.

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Re: World Cup Baku 10 September to 4 October 2015

Post by LawrenceCooper » Mon Sep 21, 2015 4:14 pm

Christopher Kreuzer wrote:Cripes. Wei Yi has messed up his winning position. He can't play endings, it seems. Magnus will be taking note of that.
That sounds incredibly harsh unless it was irony :?

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Re: World Cup Baku 10 September to 4 October 2015

Post by Tim Harding » Mon Sep 21, 2015 4:15 pm

Sorry my last edit changed meaning of Martin's comment I think. Better not use pronouns here.

When online engine says mate in given number of moves it's probably accessing tablebases.
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Re: World Cup Baku 10 September to 4 October 2015

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Mon Sep 21, 2015 4:16 pm

LawrenceCooper wrote:
Christopher Kreuzer wrote:Cripes. Wei Yi has messed up his winning position. He can't play endings, it seems. Magnus will be taking note of that.
That sounds incredibly harsh unless it was irony :?
It was too harsh (hence my apology). I was trusting the online computer evaluations too much.

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Re: World Cup Baku 10 September to 4 October 2015

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Mon Sep 21, 2015 4:17 pm

Though winning with K+Q vs K+R is not trivial at these time limits...

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Post by Tim Harding » Mon Sep 21, 2015 4:17 pm

72...Kf3 or 72...Kf4 were holding the draw according to tablebase.
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Re: World Cup Baku 10 September to 4 October 2015

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Mon Sep 21, 2015 4:21 pm

Headline: "Tablebases make mockery of endgame play by top GMs".

(Hope Loz isn't offended by that!)

More seriously, I hope Wei Yi takes this result the right way. Really bright prospect and I'd hoped he might get to the final. :(

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Post by MartinCarpenter » Mon Sep 21, 2015 4:29 pm

Christopher Kreuzer wrote:More seriously, I hope Wei Yi takes this result the right way.
Well he might forget to turn up for the tie breaks or something I guess ;)

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Post by LawrenceCooper » Mon Sep 21, 2015 4:30 pm

The second game today where Chessdom incorrectly declares a draw at the end (MVL being the other one) :oops:

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Re: World Cup Baku 10 September to 4 October 2015

Post by LawrenceCooper » Mon Sep 21, 2015 4:31 pm

Christopher Kreuzer wrote:Headline: "Tablebases make mockery of endgame play by top GMs".

(Hope Loz isn't offended by that!)

More seriously, I hope Wei Yi takes this result the right way. Really bright prospect and I'd hoped he might get to the final. :(
No offence taken but I'll be trying to keep my own endgames hidden away in future :lol:

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Re: World Cup Baku 10 September to 4 October 2015

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Mon Sep 21, 2015 4:32 pm

Oh, Wei Yi won? That does make more sense. Annoying that chessdom reported it wrong initially.


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Re: World Cup Baku 10 September to 4 October 2015

Post by Roger de Coverly » Mon Sep 21, 2015 6:33 pm

Svidler having beaten Topalov in the regular games posted
https://twitter.com/Chess__News/status/ ... 92/photo/1

which Google helpfully translates as
"The day off will spend most vegetables"

Presumably a Russian idiom or proverb.

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Post by Tim Harding » Mon Sep 21, 2015 6:59 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:Svidler having beaten Topalov in the regular games posted
https://twitter.com/Chess__News/status/ ... 92/photo/1

which Google helpfully translates as
"The day off will spend most vegetables"

Presumably a Russian idiom or proverb.
Not necessarily. In English (which Peter knows well) we have the word "vegetating".
Meaning taking it easy, not doing much.

Having tried a couple of alternative online translators and applying the above knowledge, I get a synthesis saying something like this:

"I will spend the day off mostly vegetating."
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