World Youth Championships, Turkey

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Re: World Youth Championships, Turkey

Post by benedgell » Sat Nov 21, 2009 5:41 pm

From the looks of the live games, if Anna wins today it'll be something like this: Mammadzada 10/10, Hojjatova and Ivana 8/10, then Anna outright 4th with 7.5. Obviously it'll be a huge result if she can beat the top seed with black, but if she can manage that, a win in the last round would get her at least 3rd. Ivana has played Mammadzada, so Hojjatova would play Mammadzada whilst Anna would play Ivana. They were all black in this round, so I'm not sure whether Anna or her opponent would get white in the last.

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Re: World Youth Championships, Turkey

Post by benedgell » Sat Nov 21, 2009 8:36 pm

Results are up now. Anna lost, sadly :( She's in a tie for ninth now, and no chance of a top 3 finish.

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Re: World Youth Championships, Turkey

Post by benedgell » Sat Nov 21, 2009 8:55 pm

Felix Ynojosa has now caught Anna up for top individual result from the England juniors, with both on 6.5/10. Felix got a decent win against a 2242 opponent today, and has a 2180 FM as his opponent tommorow. 7.5/11 won't get him a medal, but may possibly get him a top- 10 finish, which given he started as 29th seed would be a very respectable result. Likewise for Anna, who's opponent tommorow is a 1682 rated WFM. A win would secure a top-10 finish, and a very respectable result.

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Re: World Youth Championships, Turkey

Post by Jonathan Rogers » Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:11 pm

She has still had a very good event, having played almost all the top players. For reasons previously given, a top ten finish was always much more realistic, and would also be an excellent achievement in itself. So let's she whether can recover from these last two days and secure that position by winning the last round. Then the serious work, hopefully a with a top coach, can start (or restart) when she returns home, if desired.

Because after all - to put a possible top ten finish into perspective - this would (I should think) still be the best performance from any British girl in a world junior event since the junior days of Jovanka Houska.

There is another British player now sharing Anna's score of 6.5/10, namely Felix Jose who beat a 2225 today. However there are so many players in the u-14 that it is not clear that even 7.5/11 (as he would have if he wins tomorrow) would suffice for a top ten placing. Still, he might at least be the only British player gaining rating points?

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Re: World Youth Championships, Turkey

Post by Alex Holowczak » Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:51 pm

benedgell wrote:1682 rated WFM
Talk about trivialising a FIDE title. They're just giving them away.

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Re: World Youth Championships, Turkey

Post by Sean Hewitt » Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:10 am

I wish they'd give some to English juniors - makes title norm events easier to organise!

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Re: World Youth Championships, Turkey

Post by Leonard Barden » Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:36 am

Simone Liao of the United States, the player mentioned above, was awarded the WFM title through winning the U10 girls gold medal at the Pan American junior championships in Mar Del Plata, Argentina, earlier this year. I think it is Fide policy to award such titles to all winners of continental junior championships.

Although her Fide rating is 1682, her current national USCF rating is 1915, which would be based on a larger number of games and is therefore probably more representative of her strength.

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Re: World Youth Championships, Turkey

Post by Leonard Barden » Sun Nov 22, 2009 1:18 pm

[quote="Alex Holowczak"
She doesn't seem to realise that GM, IM and FM are designed to be unisex, not men only.[/quote]

Hardly likely to be true, since she holds the GM title at men's/unisex level.


Besides, Kosteniuk herself played in the World Blitz Championship, featuring 22 leading players. She was last by 2.5 points.

She defeated Carlsen, Anand and Aronian, that's three of the world top five.

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Re: World Youth Championships, Turkey

Post by Alex Holowczak » Sun Nov 22, 2009 1:25 pm

Leonard Barden wrote:She defeated Carlsen, Anand and Aronian, that's three of the world top five.
So why is she arguing that women can't be expected to compete at the same level as men?

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Re: World Youth Championships, Turkey

Post by Leonard Barden » Sun Nov 22, 2009 1:47 pm

To revert to the subject of this thread, Wang 0-1 Liao.....
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Re: World Youth Championships, Turkey

Post by LozCooper » Sun Nov 22, 2009 2:06 pm

World Youth Final Scores (report to follow):

Open Under 10 Ravi Haria 6/11
Girls Under 10 Anna Wang 6.5/11
Open Under 12 James Bowler 4/11
Girls Under 12 Nathasha Bogada 4.5/11
Open Under 14 Felix Ynojosa 7/11
Girls Under 14 Radha Jain 5.5/11
Open Under 16 Yang-Fan Zhou 6.5/11
Girls Under 16 Astghik Stepanyan 5.5/11
Open Under 18 James Adair 5.5/11
Girls Under 18 Katie Hale 4/11

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Re: World Youth Championships, Turkey

Post by Jonathan Rogers » Sun Nov 22, 2009 2:43 pm

That's actually quite a successful last round overall then, obviously with the exception of Anna's result.

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Re: World Youth Championships, Turkey

Post by Ben Purton » Sun Nov 22, 2009 2:46 pm

When I was at ECC it was debated why is there only Judit etc. Many of the table suggested that Men become mentally obsessed much more easily. By this they meant that Women are much more diverse , hence the old do 2 things at once stereotype. But seriously the Female titles are good incentive to many girls around the 1800-2100 level.

I think this sort of idea to be more accurate, but thats subjective
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Re: World Youth Championships, Turkey

Post by Peter Turner » Sun Nov 22, 2009 8:09 pm

I've copied details of the England players results from the World Youth website but could not get the table to 'line-up' when I reviewed it prior to posting. Decided to try it as an attachment - fingers crossed that it works :oops: It didn't work!! Below is the content but not in correct columns. It looks OK in 'preview' but not on the forum

No. Name FED Fide-No. IRtg W n We W-We K Rtg+/- Ra Rp
1 HARIA, Ravi ENG 415820 1840 2,0 5 3,25 -1,25 15 -19 1722 1583
2 Wang, Xinglian Anna ENG 415782 0 4,5 9 25 1812 1802
3 Bowler, James P ENG 417645 1685 1.0 6 0.97 0.03 25 1 1975 1615
4 Bogoda, Nathasha O ENG 418528 0 1.0 4 25 1808 1483
5 Ynojosa, Felix Jose ENG 3900258 2156 6,0 10 5,37 0,63 15 9 2120 2157
6 Jain, Radha ENG 400149 1880 3,5 7 3,63 -0,13 15 -2 1866 1696
7 Zhou, Yang-Fan ENG 468584 2295 6,5 11 7,54 -1,04 15 -16 2150 2215
8 Stepanyan, Astghik ENG 412325 0 5,5 11 25 1817 1817
9 Adair, James Robert ENG 406252 2188 3,5 8 4,93 -1,43 15 -21 2086 1899
10 Hale, Katie L W ENG 470350 0 1,0 8 25 1870 1587
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Re: World Youth Championships, Turkey

Post by Carl Hibbard » Sun Nov 22, 2009 8:11 pm

Peter Turner wrote:I've copied details of the England players results from the World Youth website but could not get the table to 'line-up' when I reviewed it prior to posting. Decided to try it as an attachment - fingers crossed that it works :oops:
You probably cannot post an attachment, so let me have the file if you want it included :?:
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