Carlsen resigns on move 2

Geoff Chandler · Post by **Geoff Chandler** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:21 pm

Hi Tim,

There is no accusation in that Carlsen tweet.

A polite note to the organisers and a meme featuring a personality from a completely
different sport who was in fact complaining about the match officials not any player.

Of course everyone knows what he meant (or do we?) but legally there is no foul in that tweet.

If he takes this to OTB games then FIDE can step in but what can they do.
He has already given them back their world title.

Angus French · Post by **Angus French** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:29 pm

David Sedgwick wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:39 pm
I don't want to speculate about what should or will happen next, but:

1. I can't deny having a feeling of relief that it's not my problem.

2. I don't know who the tournament arbiters are, but they have my sympathy and my support.

I wonder, did Magnus Carlsen inform or consult the arbiters (or organisers, even) in advance of his action?

Paul Cooksey · Post by **Paul Cooksey** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:52 pm

Tim Harding · Post by **Tim Harding** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:52 pm

Carlsen needs a lawyer. He had better hire Mr Guthrie...

But Mr Guthrie should listen back to Professor Regan's interview before judging Niemann whose name he cannot even be bothered to spell correctly.

JustinHorton · Post by **JustinHorton** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:59 pm

Paul Cooksey wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:52 pm
Giri just gave his thoughts, made some good points.

Are you able to provide a summary

Tim Harding · Post by **Tim Harding** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 9:06 pm

Do you have a link for Giri's interview/post please?

Very disappointed to hear Aronian uncritically supporting Magnus in his interview.

Geoff Chandler · Post by **Geoff Chandler** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 9:26 pm

How people here have resigned an online game v someone they thought
was cheating or thought they cheated in a previous game. I know I have.
Carlsen has resigned an online game against a known online cheat.

LawrenceCooper · Post by **LawrenceCooper** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 9:27 pm

Tim Harding wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 19, 2022 9:06 pm
Do you have a link for Giri's interview/post please?

04:09:23 onwards: https://www.twitch.tv/chess24

JustinHorton · Post by **JustinHorton** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 9:39 pm

Geoff Chandler wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 19, 2022 9:26 pm
How people here have resigned an online game v someone they thought was cheating or thought they cheated in a previous game. I know I have. Carlsen has resigned an online game against a known online cheat.

What's your point, Geoff

Geoff Chandler · Post by **Geoff Chandler** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:14 pm

Hi Justin,

IMO Magnus can get away with this. People who thought his actions at St.Louis were silly will swing to his
side on this one because an online cheat is something they all (real or imagined) have suffered from.

Hopefully he won't take it OTB or try to get Hans banned from any event Magnus plays in.
Then he should lose all support and could ruin a lads OTB career that would be very wrong.
There is not one shred of evidence Hans cheated in any OTB game.
Fair enough never play him again online. But let that be as far as it goes.

NickFaulks · Post by **NickFaulks** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:23 pm

IM Jack Rudd wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:44 pm
If I were the arbiter, I'd seriously consider some sanctions based on rule 11.1.

Would you also seriously consider that he has the power to destroy your career?

NickFaulks · Post by **NickFaulks** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:28 pm

JustinHorton wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:31 pm
Is he to be permitted to continue in the tournament?

His is if he says he is.

IM Jack Rudd · Post by **IM Jack Rudd** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:35 pm

NickFaulks wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:23 pm

IM Jack Rudd wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:44 pm
If I were the arbiter, I'd seriously consider some sanctions based on rule 11.1.
Would you also seriously consider that he has the power to destroy your career?

He doesn't. Most of my arbiting is done in events that would not hold such a ruling against me.

NickFaulks · Post by **NickFaulks** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 11:15 pm

IM Jack Rudd wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:35 pm
He doesn't. Most of my arbiting is done in events that would not hold such a ruling against me.

I hope you're right, and in any case we all know you to be a highly principled person. I still wouldn't underestimate his reach, and we know him to be vindictive.

Paul Heaton · Post by **Paul Heaton** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 11:28 pm

Matt Mackenzie wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:39 pm
Why doesn't Carlsen just say he thinks Niemann is a cheat and be done with it, would arguably be less bad than this sort of carry on.

I assume 3 reasons:
1/ it would be an act of courage, not cowardice of hiding behind unsaid things;
2/ he has not a shred of proof;
3/ by virtue of 2/as a US citizen, I assume Niemann would be able to cause him catastrophic financial harm in a US court.

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