Media comments on chess

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Gerard Killoran » Fri Jul 15, 2022 2:28 pm

JustinHorton wrote:
Fri Jul 15, 2022 11:44 am
New Yorker piece prominently mentioning a well-known podcaster and occasional contributor to this forum
The author's geat-grandfather Harold Meyer Phillips

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Fri Jul 15, 2022 3:28 pm

Thank you, Justin and Gerard for the article and the photo.

The article is well worth reading (IMO). (And some lovely chess history.)

Quick questions:

1) How strong a player was Harold M. Phillips (any games available)?
2) Henri Delaire sounds fascinating (I might look more into him later, unless there is material out there already?).

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Stewart Reuben » Sun Jul 17, 2022 7:05 pm

On the ITV News today they had a brief piece about chess in Trafalgar Square. Malcolm Pein was interviewed. I don't know whether it also appeared on the BBC.
Covid scared me off lat year and the heat today. Perhaps next year.

I knew Hans Kmoch, but remember little about Harold Phillips.

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by John Sellen » Sun Jul 17, 2022 8:51 pm

From todays Telegraph
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/0 ... ent-women/


"Male chess players refuse to resign for longer when their opponent is a woman

The stereotypical view of women being worse also creates a negative psychological effect in female players, according to new research"

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Joey Stewart » Mon Jul 18, 2022 12:10 am

John Sellen wrote:
Sun Jul 17, 2022 8:51 pm
From todays Telegraph
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/0 ... ent-women/


"Male chess players refuse to resign for longer when their opponent is a woman

The stereotypical view of women being worse also creates a negative psychological effect in female players, according to new research"

What a load of rubbish, I know for a fact that's not true because whether my opponent is man, women or child I refuse to resign against all of them equally !
Lose one queen and it is a disaster, Lose 1000 queens and it is just a statistic.

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Roger de Coverly » Mon Jul 18, 2022 12:38 am

Joey Stewart wrote:
Mon Jul 18, 2022 12:10 am
What a load of rubbish, I know for a fact that's not true because whether my opponent is man, women or child I refuse to resign against all of them equally !
The obvious question is to ask how they measured whether resignation was late or early.

Empirically I'd suggest it was more to do with the ratings of the players. The higher the rating, the more likely that a lost position would lead to "resigns" being found as the best move. Arguably it's one of the routes to a high rating, being ruthless when you get a winning position, thereby encouraging resignation.

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by JustinHorton » Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:37 am

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Mon Jul 18, 2022 12:38 am
The obvious question is to ask how they measured whether resignation was late or early.
Ask and ye shall receive
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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by AlanLlewellyn » Mon Jul 18, 2022 7:33 am

John Sellen wrote:
Sun Jul 17, 2022 8:51 pm
From todays Telegraph
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/0 ... ent-women/


"Male chess players refuse to resign for longer when their opponent is a woman

The stereotypical view of women being worse also creates a negative psychological effect in female players, according to new research"
My own experience of prejudice with my illness is that people assume a lot and think very little, on and off the board. Prejudice is so natural and we shouldnt feel guilt from it leading to hatred of the victim for being the victim.

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Roger de Coverly » Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:27 am

JustinHorton wrote:
Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:37 am
Ask and ye shall receive
Seemingly the underlying data was extracted from a years worth of TWIC getting on for ten years ago. The dataset was restricted also by excluding players under 2000. Player by player, that doesn't make for a very large set of their games against female players. Most players you might think would only have zero, one or two games out of a TWIC selection.

One point they seem to make which may be matched by experience is the suggestion that female players play less aggressively. with their opening choices. That's on average as counter examples will exist.
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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by AlanLlewellyn » Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:15 am

Why is being prejudiced an issue in the 21st century, surely theyre are reasons why a group animal must be concerned about the make up of those around him/her for fear that he may be rejected from the group himself if he is considered different to it.

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by AlanLlewellyn » Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:20 am

AlanLlewellyn wrote:
Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:15 am
Why is being prejudiced an issue in the 21st century, surely theyre are reasons why a group animal must be concerned about the make up of those around him/her for fear that he may be rejected from the group himself if he is considered different to it.
The point being we have (or some of us have) moved beyond the point of acting on instinct alone.

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by AlanLlewellyn » Mon Jul 18, 2022 12:04 pm

I understand my views may be controversial, sometimes i get carried away with the feelings.

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Mick Norris » Mon Jul 18, 2022 12:52 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:27 am
JustinHorton wrote:
Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:37 am
Ask and ye shall receive
Seemingly the underlying data was extracted from a years worth of TWIC getting on for ten years ago. The dataset was restricted also by excluding players under 2000. Player by player, that doesn't make for a very large set of their games against female players. Most players you might think would only have zero, one or two games out of a TWIC selection.

One point they seem to make which may be matched by experience is the suggestion that female players play less aggressively. with their opeing choices. That's on average as counter examples will exist.
I remember exchanging emails with the Manchester University guy
Any postings on here represent my personal views

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Stewart Reuben » Thu Jul 21, 2022 11:07 am

RACHEL REEVES

An extensive article about her in the Sunday Times Magazine of 17 July.
Chess is mentioned twice in passing.
Her sister, Ellie, is also a labour mp.

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by AlanLlewellyn » Thu Jul 21, 2022 11:59 am

being a Labour member and into chess and economics, i am following Rachel Reeves on facebook and she is releasing lots of chess stuff recently which is very encouraging for a chess geek like me, maybe we will finally get some support from government for chess if Labour wins and she becomes chancellor.