European Team Chess Championship 2021

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Jonathan Rogers
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Re: European Team Chess Championship 2021

Post by Jonathan Rogers » Thu Nov 18, 2021 9:16 am

A.Kluckova wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 9:57 pm
Thank you.

So the next parts of trilogy will be - why J.Rogers is absolutely right "But my point is precisely that there is no real gap between most of the top four and the board five on this occasion " and why Captain of ENG women team is absolutely right in his team selection for the games, although there is no real gap between most of the top four and the board five.
Actually I have now been told that the intention was to play in Zoe in round five. But there was a technical error in submitting the team lists for round five, as a result of which the computer did not recognise it and defaulted to the position that the top four listed players would play! An appeal to the Chief Arbiter, when the problem was belatedly discovered, was made but was unsuccessful. Not a great moment, but we forumites might take some comfort in knowing that that this was how it came about and that it is recognised that something went wrong.

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Re: European Team Chess Championship 2021

Post by Mick Norris » Thu Nov 18, 2021 9:18 am

Mickey having a day off today

Bo. 26 Switzerland - 5 England
10.1 GM Bogner, Sebastian 2574 - GM Mcshane, Luke J 2667
10.2 GM Pelletier, Yannick 2564 - GM Jones, Gawain C B 2654
10.3 GM Georgiadis, Nico 2553 - GM Howell, David W L 2648
10.4 IM Kurmann, Oliver 2458 - IM Haria, Ravi 2497
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Re: European Team Chess Championship 2021

Post by Mick Norris » Thu Nov 18, 2021 9:20 am

Zoe playing today

Bo. 24 England - 23 Croatia
15.1 WGM Toma, Katarzyna 2261 - FM Cvitan, Ena 2234
15.2 WFM Emelianova, Maria 2113 - WGM Medic, Mirjana 2196
15.3 WFM Bayat, Shohreh 2091 - WFM Radikovic, Anamarija 2124
15.4 WCM Varney, Zoe 1955 - WFM Vujnovic, Patricija 2151
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Re: European Team Chess Championship 2021

Post by Jonathan Rogers » Thu Nov 18, 2021 9:37 am

Mick Norris wrote:
Thu Nov 18, 2021 9:18 am
Mickey having a day off today

Bo. 26 Switzerland - 5 England
10.1 GM Bogner, Sebastian 2574 - GM Mcshane, Luke J 2667
10.2 GM Pelletier, Yannick 2564 - GM Jones, Gawain C B 2654
10.3 GM Georgiadis, Nico 2553 - GM Howell, David W L 2648
10.4 IM Kurmann, Oliver 2458 - IM Haria, Ravi 2497
safer for him to have played, I should have thought.

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Re: European Team Chess Championship 2021

Post by LawrenceCooper » Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:29 pm

It occurs to me that Ravi has now had as many whites in this event as in his last 17 4NCL games. (After a round one loss with white in 2018-19 he asked to be black for the rest of the season!).

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Re: European Team Chess Championship 2021

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:15 pm

Jonathan Rogers wrote:
Thu Nov 18, 2021 9:09 am
NickFaulks wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 9:50 pm
Mick Norris wrote:
Tue Nov 16, 2021 9:55 pm
I think it is a rest day tomorrow
Respectful of the organisers to recognise Mickey's 50th birthday in that way.
Indeed.

Tick tock though; and Luke will be 40 before we know it.
Never mind that, Howell is now 31. Where does the time go?
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Re: European Team Chess Championship 2021

Post by LawrenceCooper » Thu Nov 18, 2021 7:09 pm

Ravi holds to win the match. :D

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Re: European Team Chess Championship 2021

Post by Rhys Cumming » Thu Nov 18, 2021 10:37 pm

Klek-Gaal in the Women's section (board 3 of Germany vs Hungary) is well worth a look: the final position is agreed drawn with mate in 1 on the board! 2 Knights vs a pawn and Klek managed to usher the king to the corner and unfortunately force mate in 51 moves. Kg6! instead of Kf7 at the end would have won since it forces the pawn move on move 50.

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Re: European Team Chess Championship 2021

Post by NickFaulks » Fri Nov 19, 2021 1:22 am

Excellent game by Katarzyna Toma, and well deserved. She has been threatening to do this for the whole tournament but until today something has somehow gone wrong.
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Re: European Team Chess Championship 2021

Post by JustinHorton » Fri Nov 19, 2021 7:30 am

Rhys Cumming wrote:
Thu Nov 18, 2021 10:37 pm
Klek-Gaal in the Women's section (board 3 of Germany vs Hungary) is well worth a look: the final position is agreed drawn with mate in 1 on the board! 2 Knights vs a pawn and Klek managed to usher the king to the corner and unfortunately force mate in 51 moves. Kg6! instead of Kf7 at the end would have won since it forces the pawn move on move 50.
You do wonder why Gaal played 60...Bxg4.
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Re: European Team Chess Championship 2021

Post by LawrenceCooper » Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:23 am

Anna Muzychuk has replaced Anna Ushenina as a Covid substitute.

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Re: European Team Chess Championship 2021

Post by Tim Harding » Fri Nov 19, 2021 1:05 pm

Rhys Cumming wrote:
Thu Nov 18, 2021 10:37 pm
Klek-Gaal in the Women's section (board 3 of Germany vs Hungary) is well worth a look: the final position is agreed drawn with mate in 1 on the board! 2 Knights vs a pawn and Klek managed to usher the king to the corner and unfortunately force mate in 51 moves. Kg6! instead of Kf7 at the end would have won since it forces the pawn move on move 50.
Thanks for pointing out this interesting ending, for which I have appended analysis, but I think two things you say are misleading.

1) True a draw may have been agreed but I think a claim by Black and arbiter check may have occurred.
(A minor point, but the next matters):

2) 109 Kg6 would NOT have won the game because Black's move ...g4 would be move 111, Because the last capture occurred at White's 61st, White is allowed to mate on move 111 if she can but Black is not compelled to make a move 111.

Here's the game.

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Re: European Team Chess Championship 2021

Post by Rhys Cumming » Fri Nov 19, 2021 2:16 pm

Tim Harding wrote:
Fri Nov 19, 2021 1:05 pm
Rhys Cumming wrote:
Thu Nov 18, 2021 10:37 pm
Klek-Gaal in the Women's section (board 3 of Germany vs Hungary) is well worth a look: the final position is agreed drawn with mate in 1 on the board! 2 Knights vs a pawn and Klek managed to usher the king to the corner and unfortunately force mate in 51 moves. Kg6! instead of Kf7 at the end would have won since it forces the pawn move on move 50.
Thanks for pointing out this interesting ending, for which I have appended analysis, but I think two things you say are misleading.

1) True a draw may have been agreed but I think a claim by Black and arbiter check may have occurred.
(A minor point, but the next matters):

2) 109 Kg6 would NOT have won the game because Black's move ...g4 would be move 111, Because the last capture occurred at White's 61st, White is allowed to mate on move 111 if she can but Black is not compelled to make a move 111.
The first may have been misleading, but the second wasn't: it was simply incorrect! There are missed chances in there for sure, but nothing quite as obvious as I thought on (mistaken) first glance.

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Re: European Team Chess Championship 2021

Post by Jonathan Rogers » Fri Nov 19, 2021 5:08 pm

Some likely joy for the women's team at last. Maybe another win for England "Open" (would that be 3/3 for Gawain with White, or have I missed a game?) but Adams under some pressure.

Speaking of Gawain playing White, and of English matches involving the Caro-Kann more generally*: what gives? Is even 1 e4 c6 2 d4 d5 3 e5 Bf5 4 g4 interesting/quite good for White now? Is there no literally no pawn move that White can make on move 4 which does not have some arguable point or merit in it?

*and about yesterday's game rather than today's, in case you have not been paying attention

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Re: European Team Chess Championship 2021

Post by Jonathan Rogers » Fri Nov 19, 2021 5:15 pm

Jonathan Rogers wrote:
Fri Nov 19, 2021 5:08 pm
but Adams under some pressure.
things have moved onwards but not upwards