Cheating in chess
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Re: Cheating in chess
This probably has been covered, but when the main chess platforms, Lichess and chess.com, ban a player, is it just effectively that account and then the player can rejoin straight away with a new user account if they wish? I think in the online gaming world the companies aim to make bans properly permanent by banning the actual IP address, (although for seriously addicted Fortnite players, I believe there are ways around this).
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Yes. iirc they might need a new email account but obviously no barrier at all.
IP Address isn't that hard to dodge, no. The gaming companies can at least insist on running stuff on your computer to get access. Gives them a few more options.
IP Address isn't that hard to dodge, no. The gaming companies can at least insist on running stuff on your computer to get access. Gives them a few more options.
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In the world of FPS, RTS, ARPG and all, cheat detection is quite different. It is not based on "likelihood" or "He is playing better than his normal strength", but often based n detection of 3rd party software on your computer (some games can have very intrusive software to track cheats).Kevin Thurlow wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 1:19 pm
Activision seem to be tougher than chess federations...
It's been a while but maybe aimbots can be detected by looking at the hit %.
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Looks like GM Nick Pert and WGM Irina Bulmaga were demolished by stockfish or some other chess engine in last nights Bunratty online event in rounds 4 and 5.
The player Hari Prasad rated 1600 and on 5/5 suddenly withdrew...it was suggested he was on course to finish with 9/9 (ahead of the eventual winner David Howell and runner up Peter Svidler.
I looked at his round 4 and 5 games and looks like he gave Nick 3 or 4 tempi in the opening before demolishing him....I never seen a 1600 player play so well
round 4 https://www.chess.com/live/game/7581682325
round 5 https://www.chess.com/live/game/7582311767
The player Hari Prasad rated 1600 and on 5/5 suddenly withdrew...it was suggested he was on course to finish with 9/9 (ahead of the eventual winner David Howell and runner up Peter Svidler.
I looked at his round 4 and 5 games and looks like he gave Nick 3 or 4 tempi in the opening before demolishing him....I never seen a 1600 player play so well
round 4 https://www.chess.com/live/game/7581682325
round 5 https://www.chess.com/live/game/7582311767
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apparently someone mentioned that he is a resident student IM in Limerick however chess.com are probably still evaluating his games to establish if he was using an engine...but regardless in my opinion he was still cheating by pretending to have a very low rating. Quite a few chancers tried this method of cheating in Ireland over the years. One guy rated 2400 tried playing in an over the board tournament by entering an under 1600 competition and got found out in round 2...he was about 24 years of age and was in tears ...he gave the organisers a sob sob story and begged for his entry fee back...he got it back...Irish chess organisers have hearts of gold but maybe are being seen as a soft touch by sophisticated cheaters. ps there was a 600 euro first prize on offer and a total prize fund of 2500 euros in the Bunratty event.
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That's seems unlikely when his chess.com profile says:Martin Crichton wrote: ↑Mon Feb 22, 2021 3:33 pmapparently someone mentioned that he is a resident student IM in Limerick
and when his chess.com ratings are based on playing several hundred games in total:I like to play chess for fun but not only that I want to become a titled player.
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There's an IRL player of the name Martin quoted with a FIDE rating of 1510 and a year of birth of 1997. If it was someone else of IM standard playing legitimately but using his account, that's still cheating by impersonation.Martin Crichton wrote: ↑Mon Feb 22, 2021 3:33 pmapparently someone mentioned that he is a resident student IM in Limerick however chess.com are probably still evaluating his games to establish if he was using an engine...but regardless in my opinion he was still cheating by pretending to have a very low rating.
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that's not me honest
good spot Ian on the hundreds of rated games...I also spotted after he suddenly withdrew he played another game with a 1550 and only managed to draw
good spot Ian on the hundreds of rated games...I also spotted after he suddenly withdrew he played another game with a 1550 and only managed to draw
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Re: Cheating in chess
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If it was someone else of IM standard playing legitimately but using his account, that's still cheating by impersonation.
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That looks like a very good way for cheats to beat the system with regards on online chess. Player A is weak but gets player B who is very strong to login on players A account and they split the winnings?
I think the way to get around this is to have very low prize money on offer for online chess unless it is being monitored by FIDE officials. Obviously putting a 600 euro first prize up in an online event did not go unnoticed.
If it was someone else of IM standard playing legitimately but using his account, that's still cheating by impersonation.
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That looks like a very good way for cheats to beat the system with regards on online chess. Player A is weak but gets player B who is very strong to login on players A account and they split the winnings?
I think the way to get around this is to have very low prize money on offer for online chess unless it is being monitored by FIDE officials. Obviously putting a 600 euro first prize up in an online event did not go unnoticed.
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Re: Cheating in chess
There is literally no reference to chess in this piece but people may find it pertinent nonetheless.
"Do you play chess?"
"Yes, but I prefer a game with a better chance of cheating."
lostontime.blogspot.com
"Yes, but I prefer a game with a better chance of cheating."
lostontime.blogspot.com
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From the linked articleJustinHorton wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 6:04 pmThere is literally no reference to chess in this piece but people may find it pertinent nonetheless.
I suppose in chess that's ratings and tournament victories.Gaming is a subculture, with its own rules, hierarchy and status objects, and achieving success or a higher position within a subculture, is for many, reason enough to cheat.
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The point I find most interesting is that this gratification still seems to apply in conditions of anonymity. Why?Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 6:52 pmI suppose in chess that's ratings and tournament victories.
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Most people live an unexamined lifeNickFaulks wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 7:46 pmThe point I find most interesting is that this gratification still seems to apply in conditions of anonymity. Why?
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Re: Cheating in chess
The Dewa Kipas vs. Irene Sukandar match and GothamChess.
The lad ran with exposing an 'alleged' cheat and received death threats. He had to close down his broadcasts for a while.
The last bit from 15:10 is good. (the 'alleged' cheat walks away with 7,000 USD.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws-hZrm5jxM
The lad ran with exposing an 'alleged' cheat and received death threats. He had to close down his broadcasts for a while.
The last bit from 15:10 is good. (the 'alleged' cheat walks away with 7,000 USD.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws-hZrm5jxM