(Chess) Life Returning To Normal

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Matt Bridgeman
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Re: (Chess) Life Returning To Normal

Post by Matt Bridgeman » Tue Jan 05, 2021 12:24 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Tue Jan 05, 2021 12:13 pm
JustinHorton wrote:
Tue Jan 05, 2021 11:49 am
Which situation are you asking about
If you had a meeting or gathering restricted to those who had been vaccinated. A "seniors only" chess event would be a possible example.
The tricky factor might be by the time things like ‘seniors only events’ might be ready to get off the ground, your antibodies might have dropped so low you’d all need vaccinating all over again, at a point when probably there will people in the country who haven’t had any vaccination yet. I don’t think the annual vaccination aspect has even been properly looked at yet. It’s hard to imagine that the titanic vaccine roll out starting to happen can be maintained year on, year out very easily.

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Re: (Chess) Life Returning To Normal

Post by Tim Spanton » Tue Jan 05, 2021 12:29 pm

Matt Bridgeman wrote:
Tue Jan 05, 2021 12:24 pm
Roger de Coverly wrote:
Tue Jan 05, 2021 12:13 pm
JustinHorton wrote:
Tue Jan 05, 2021 11:49 am
Which situation are you asking about
If you had a meeting or gathering restricted to those who had been vaccinated. A "seniors only" chess event would be a possible example.
The tricky factor might be by the time things like ‘seniors only events’ might be ready to get off the ground, your antibodies might have dropped so low you’d all need vaccinating all over again, at a point when probably there will people in the country who haven’t had any vaccination yet. I don’t think the annual vaccination aspect has even been properly looked at yet. It’s hard to imagine that the titanic vaccine roll out starting to happen can be maintained year on, year out very easily.
And there is the problem of verifying that someone has been vaccinated.

BTW, aren't these supposed to be one-off vaccinations like polio rather than annual ones like flu?

Matt Bridgeman
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Re: (Chess) Life Returning To Normal

Post by Matt Bridgeman » Tue Jan 05, 2021 12:31 pm

Tim Spanton wrote:
Tue Jan 05, 2021 12:29 pm
Matt Bridgeman wrote:
Tue Jan 05, 2021 12:24 pm
Roger de Coverly wrote:
Tue Jan 05, 2021 12:13 pm


If you had a meeting or gathering restricted to those who had been vaccinated. A "seniors only" chess event would be a possible example.
The tricky factor might be by the time things like ‘seniors only events’ might be ready to get off the ground, your antibodies might have dropped so low you’d all need vaccinating all over again, at a point when probably there will people in the country who haven’t had any vaccination yet. I don’t think the annual vaccination aspect has even been properly looked at yet. It’s hard to imagine that the titanic vaccine roll out starting to happen can be maintained year on, year out very easily.
And there is the problem of verifying that someone has been vaccinated.

BTW, aren't these supposed to be one-off vaccinations like polio rather than annual ones like flu?
I think long term it’s still unknown science. There may be other factors in play beyond just antibodies, but I get the impression long term immunity is still an unknown concept.

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Re: (Chess) Life Returning To Normal

Post by Matthew Turner » Tue Jan 05, 2021 12:34 pm

Is the coronavirus vaccine for Covid like?

A) The vaccine for Polio
B) The coronavirus vaccine for Flu

My guess would be B

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Re: (Chess) Life Returning To Normal

Post by Tim Spanton » Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:59 pm

Matthew Turner wrote:
Tue Jan 05, 2021 12:34 pm
Is the coronavirus vaccine for Covid like?

A) The vaccine for Polio
B) The coronavirus vaccine for Flu

My guess would be B
It seems guessing is more-or-less all we can do at present:

How long will vaccine-induced immunity last?
There is no quick way to determine how long immunity to the SARS-CoV-2 virus will last, and researchers will need to monitor this closely in the coming months and years.

There have been some reports that people who have had one bout of COVID-19 and developed antibodies against it can experience falling antibody levels and even reinfection months later, but it is still unclear how prevalent reinfection is. There are signs that the immune system preserves a memory of coronavirus infection in the form of specialized memory cells that could kick into action rapidly if the virus is encountered again. And vaccines, Altmann says, are deliberately designed to provoke strong responses from the immune system.

Some viruses, such as the wily influenza virus, are notorious for mutating and moving bits of their genomes around. The SARS-CoV-2 genome, however, seems to be fairly stable so far. Most of the vaccines being developed, including the three that lead the pack, target a protein called spike, which the virus needs to infect cells. And immune responses elicited by those vaccines will probably target multiple sites on that protein.

All of this gives researchers some reassurance that the virus might not evolve ways to evade immunity. But mass vaccination campaigns will, for the first time, put enormous pressure on SARS-CoV-2 to adapt, and will select for any strain of the virus that might be able to escape immune defences. “We’ve never seen a virus like this under selective pressure,” says Griffin. “So we don’t know how it’s going to respond.”
[Source: Nature]

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Re: (Chess) Life Returning To Normal

Post by Simon Rogers » Tue Jan 05, 2021 8:02 pm

It was announced on North West News earlier that the Isle of Man is to go straight into a full Lockdown from 00:01 Thursday.

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Re: (Chess) Life Returning To Normal

Post by NickFaulks » Tue Jan 05, 2021 9:10 pm

Tim Spanton wrote:
Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:59 pm
But mass vaccination campaigns will, for the first time, put enormous pressure on SARS-CoV-2 to adapt, and will select for any strain of the virus that might be able to escape immune defences.
That should give our rulers enough slack to keep us nailed down for 2021, if that's what they have in mind.
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Re: (Chess) Life Returning To Normal

Post by Simon Rogers » Tue Jan 05, 2021 11:01 pm

New Zealand Chess Championships
After four rounds:
1. FM Nicholas Croad 3.5
2. IM Russell Dive 3.5
3. FM Ben Hague 3.5
4. IM Anthony Ker 3
5. Robert Smith 3
Round 5 pairings:
1. FM Nicholas Croad v FM Ben Hague
2. IM Anthony Ker v IM Russell Dive

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Re: (Chess) Life Returning To Normal

Post by Mick Norris » Wed Jan 06, 2021 9:00 am

Simon Rogers wrote:
Tue Jan 05, 2021 8:02 pm
It was announced on North West News earlier that the Isle of Man is to go straight into a full Lockdown from 00:01 Thursday.
That's a surprise, given they had complete freedom on the IoM a month ago, but yes
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Re: (Chess) Life Returning To Normal

Post by Roger de Coverly » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:13 pm

Mick Norris wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 9:00 am
That's a surprise, given they had complete freedom on the IoM a month ago
Whilst they tried to isolate themselves from the world, they had a periodic need to import workers for specific tasks. They imposed a quarantine on these and locked them up if they broke it, it would appear a couple slipped through the net. When after the end of their quarantine, they went out on the town, they were found to be infected.

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Re: (Chess) Life Returning To Normal

Post by Mick Norris » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:13 pm

Matthew Turner wrote:
Tue Jan 05, 2021 12:34 pm
Is the coronavirus vaccine for Covid like?

A) The vaccine for Polio
B) The coronavirus vaccine for Flu

My guess would be B
Mine too FWIW

According to the BBC
The health secretary says: "As with flu, we have to change the vaccine each year and we may have to update any [Covid] vaccine in the future, but it is not our understanding now."
What you derive from this depends I guess on whether you believe anything Matt Hancock says
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Re: (Chess) Life Returning To Normal

Post by Matt Bridgeman » Thu Jan 07, 2021 3:53 pm

Hancock in the (virtual) Commons today; "It might be every six months or every year," he suggests, adding that he predicts people will be offered coronavirus and flu jabs "long into the future".

There seems to be a vaccination summary on the Covid Dashboard now. Just under 1.3 million first doses in the first 3 weeks it appears;
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
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Re: (Chess) Life Returning To Normal

Post by Roger de Coverly » Thu Jan 07, 2021 4:03 pm

Simon Rogers wrote:
Tue Jan 05, 2021 11:01 pm
New Zealand Chess Championships
After four rounds:
1. FM Nicholas Croad 3.5
2. IM Russell Dive 3.5
3. FM Ben Hague 3.5
The top three will be known to some UK players. Nicolas Croad played for Reading in local leagues and the 4NCL from 2011 tp 2015, whilst Russell Dive played in the 1994 British Championship in Norwich and other events in the 1990s. Ben Hague was a well known Lancashire player.

Tim Spanton
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Re: (Chess) Life Returning To Normal

Post by Tim Spanton » Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:04 am

From a BBC Q&A:

Is any proof of vaccination being given which can be used in future for travel, theatre, restaurants and sporting events?
From Jane Hartley-Allen, Halstead

Michelle Roberts
Health online editor
A patient’s medical record will be updated with information about the vaccine they have been given.
There is no recommendation so far in the UK that people need proof of vaccination for reasons such as travel or socialising. And remember, if you have been vaccinated, it takes time for protection to build. No vaccine is 100% effective and we still do not know how long immunity will last.
People who have received a coronavirus vaccine should continue to follow social distancing rules to protect themselves and others.

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Re: (Chess) Life Returning To Normal

Post by Simon Rogers » Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:48 pm

New Zealand Chess Championships
Open Section
Round 9 Pairings
Points in brackets
1. FM Nicholas Croad (6.5) v (5) CM David Cilia Vincenti
2. Felix Xie (5.5) v (6) FM Ben Hague
3. IM Anthony Ker (5.5) v (5) FM Robert Smith
4. Sashikumar (4.5) v (5) FM Leonard McLaren
5. IM Russell Dive (4.5) v (4.5) Dylan Tama Piwari
9. Patrick Cunningham (2) v (3.5) CM Helen Milligan

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