That's not possible in the Online 4NCL because players' real names are known to the organisers, nor would it be with any other event using real names. If the 4NCL has banned a player for a period of time it doesn't matter how many lichess IDs they have. They'd have to play under a false name as well.Neil Graham wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 5:23 pmIf the sum total of this is that anyone found out under the current rules merely disappears under a cloak of anonymity to subsequently reappear at some later date under some new pseudonym this is really giving the more unscrupulous a "Cheat's Charter".
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215 teams registered for season 2: http://www.4ncl.co.uk/data/online_teams_2.htm
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That's up from 184 last time; there must be quite a few new teams then, especially as some of the existing teams haven't re-entered
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2 Maidenhead and a Maidenhead Juniors this year for example.
I'm not organising, but I think fair to say if you want to play online, then 4NCL well organised and small team sizes help.
Anti-cheating is a problem; some people will not want to play online, including me. But some people do.
I'm not organising, but I think fair to say if you want to play online, then 4NCL well organised and small team sizes help.
Anti-cheating is a problem; some people will not want to play online, including me. But some people do.
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Actually, the problem is cheating, not anti-cheating ...Paul Cooksey wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:22 pm2 Maidenhead and a Maidenhead Juniors this year for example.
I'm not organising, but I think fair to say if you want to play online, then 4NCL well organised and small team sizes help.
Anti-cheating is a problem; some people will not want to play online, including me. But some people do.
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as a root cause, sure. But it is lack of trust in the latter that stops me entering. If you play a cheat, you lose a game. If you are branded a cheat, much more damaging.Tim Spanton wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:46 pmActually, the problem is cheating, not anti-cheating ...
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Fair enough - I missed the point of your post. Either way, online is not for me either (except for correspondence chess where you can use engines)Paul Cooksey wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 1:12 pmas a root cause, sure. But it is lack of trust in the latter that stops me entering. If you play a cheat, you lose a game. If you are branded a cheat, much more damaging.Tim Spanton wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:46 pmActually, the problem is cheating, not anti-cheating ...
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LawrenceCooper wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:29 am215 teams registered for season 2: http://www.4ncl.co.uk/data/online_teams_2.htm
Mick Norris wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:22 amThat's up from 184 last time; there must be quite a few new teams then, especially as some of the existing teams haven't re-entered
A 17% increase.
My central prediction was a 20% drop. I understand that the organisers thought that it might be greater.
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Quiet?David Sedgwick wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 6:08 pmThose of us, including me, who campaigned hard behind the scenes for a change in the ECF and the 4NCl Rules and Regulations can take a quiet satisfaction
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Curiously, exactly the opposite outcome to the Junior 4NCL where the organisers seem to have expected an increase but actual entries were well down. I find the contrast puzzling, as I suspect do the organisers. Any theories?David Sedgwick wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 6:08 pm
A 17% increase.
My central prediction was a 20% drop. I understand that the organisers thought that it might be greater.
Those of us, including me, who campaigned hard behind the scenes for a change in the ECF and the 4NCl Rules and Regulations can take a quiet satisfaction from the outcome of our efforts.
Those who stormed out in a huff must decide for themselves what if anything they achieved.
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Not enough undisqualified juniors left to make up a team?
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David - can you be specific about what has been changed and why? I have to admit I missed this entirely.David Sedgwick wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 6:08 pmThose of us, including me, who campaigned hard behind the scenes for a change in the ECF and the 4NCl Rules and Regulations can take a quiet satisfaction
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Paul,
There is a much more robust appeals procedure for season 2. If a player is flagged by Lichess and doesn't have a high Z score on the Regan test, they will be presumed innocent on appeal. In my opinion, the chance of a false positive being allowed to stand in season 2 is way beyond the threshold for reasonable doubt in a criminal court case.
There is a much more robust appeals procedure for season 2. If a player is flagged by Lichess and doesn't have a high Z score on the Regan test, they will be presumed innocent on appeal. In my opinion, the chance of a false positive being allowed to stand in season 2 is way beyond the threshold for reasonable doubt in a criminal court case.
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It isn't clear to me how that helps much, but we should let David reply for himself.
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Now up to 218 so entries still being accepted? http://www.4ncl.co.uk/data/online_teams_2.htmLawrenceCooper wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:29 am215 teams registered for season 2: http://www.4ncl.co.uk/data/online_teams_2.htm