Could everyone lose their grade

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Re: Could everyone lose their grade

Post by Mick Norris » Thu May 21, 2020 9:23 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 4:46 pm
Mick Norris wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 3:51 pm
Interesting quote from back then, not much different now?
As far as I recall, that quote is from the late 1960s or early 1970s, just before the Fischer inspired boom.
1969 according to Mike
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Re: Could everyone lose their grade

Post by Neill Cooper » Fri May 22, 2020 12:45 pm

John Sellen wrote:
Fri May 15, 2020 12:09 pm
It appears quite possible that there will no OTB chess in the UK in second half of 2020.
It is also possible that some households with at least 2 graded players could play arrange to play some graded chess.

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Re: Could everyone lose their grade

Post by Mike Gunn » Fri May 22, 2020 2:21 pm

Ah, but it's well known that grading systems don't work for lighthouse keepers!

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Re: Could everyone lose their grade

Post by David Sedgwick » Fri May 22, 2020 3:30 pm

Mike Gunn wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 2:21 pm
Ah, but it's well known that grading systems don't work for lighthouse keepers!
The late Dennis Hemsley's grade seemed to me to be a pretty accurate reflection of his true strength.

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Re: Could everyone lose their grade

Post by Simon Rogers » Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:24 pm

I hope I don't lose my grade. I had a very decent season before lockdown.

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Re: Could everyone lose their grade

Post by Paul Dupré » Sun Jun 28, 2020 3:54 am

Mike Gunn wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 2:21 pm
Ah, but it's well known that grading systems don't work for lighthouse keepers!
Thanks Mike, you know I was going to say that. viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4935&start=15#p104454
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Re: Could everyone lose their grade

Post by Joey Stewart » Sat Jul 25, 2020 1:44 am

Looks like a lot of players did lose ratings due to "inactivity" - hopefully leagues and tournaments will use these lost ratings for eligibility or the lower grading band tournaments are going to get a battering in September
Lose one queen and it is a disaster, Lose 1000 queens and it is just a statistic.

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Re: Could everyone lose their grade

Post by Brian Valentine » Sat Jul 25, 2020 9:23 am

I have no idea why particular players lost their rating, but numbers have held up quite well. The number of A-F Category players have fallen from 10,824 to 10,231; from January to July In 2019 the drop was about 80.

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Re: Could everyone lose their grade

Post by Paul Dupré » Sat Jul 25, 2020 12:44 pm

Shall I give you the gender of all the players I know where you currently have nothing?
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Re: Could everyone lose their grade

Post by Brian Valentine » Sat Jul 25, 2020 1:48 pm

Paul Dupré wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 12:44 pm
Shall I give you the gender of all the players I know where you currently have nothing?
Paul, If a grader thinks something is wrong with the list, then as you are one, I encourage you to email Matt or myself and we can work on it.

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Re: Could everyone lose their grade

Post by Ian Thompson » Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:04 pm

Brian Valentine wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 1:48 pm
Paul Dupré wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 12:44 pm
Shall I give you the gender of all the players I know where you currently have nothing?
Paul, If a grader thinks something is wrong with the list, then as you are one, I encourage you to email Matt or myself and we can work on it.
An obvious question before anybody spends time doing that is whether gender information obtained from ECF membership records has been added to grading records where it was missing? The same question would apply to date of birth.

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Re: Could everyone lose their grade

Post by Paul Dupré » Sat Jul 25, 2020 3:18 pm

Ian Thompson wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:04 pm
Brian Valentine wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 1:48 pm
Paul Dupré wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 12:44 pm
Shall I give you the gender of all the players I know where you currently have nothing?
Paul, If a grader thinks something is wrong with the list, then as you are one, I encourage you to email Matt or myself and we can work on it.
An obvious question before anybody spends time doing that is whether gender information obtained from ECF membership records has been added to grading records where it was missing? The same question would apply to date of birth.
I know for sure that's not been done.
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Re: Could everyone lose their grade

Post by Reg Clucas » Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:53 pm

The ECF has announced a one year extension to the rating category periods, see https://www.englishchess.org.uk/rating- ... xtensions/.

The final sentence of the article states "The extended periods are now active with player categories amended as specfied in the online rating system." However, from a quick inspection of some ratings, that does not appear to have happened. Have I understood the final sentence correctly? (ignoring the typo)

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Re: Could everyone lose their grade

Post by Brian Valentine » Thu Dec 03, 2020 2:26 pm

There is a problem with last night's update, which failed. The new categories should be included when this is fixed.

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Re: Could everyone lose their grade

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Sat Apr 03, 2021 4:12 pm

Brian Valentine wrote:
Fri May 15, 2020 1:59 pm
The rules for grades will be changed in September to support monthly grading. We are still on track to deliver these on time.

Everyone who has had at least one grade (separately for standard and rapid) published since 2017 will have a 4-digit grade for January 2020 when our monthly calculations will kick off. At present we are discussing whether a player goes inactive after 3 years or 5 years and the actions to take place at that point. The issue of losing a grade, if one has had a recent one, will not arise until January 2021 at the earliest.

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I was recently looking at this, and was wondering if there has been any update on the window of time in which people have to get "back" to playing graded chess to avoid "losing" their grade. Even if they do lose their grade, will the past grading history still be used.

Also, how much longer will the grading history under the old system be made available (I have a note somewhere to download the personal data from that) and is there an easy way to download or request that data (i.e. one's own personal grading history)?

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