East Devon Open, 23-25 February
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Re: East Devon Open, 23-25 February
That's an exceptional number of players piling up in third place.
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3 Russell G Granat 198A 111505E w33+ b14= w11- b17+ w21+ 3½ 5 1001 200
4 Mike P Waddington 196A FM 153139G b26+ w37+ b8= w10= b12= 3½ 5 981 196
5 Jeremy R Fallowfield 194A 242226J w27+ b21= b17= w26+ b10= 3½ 5 971 194
6 Oscar Garcia 194A 299337F b25+ w45+ b12+ b1- w9= 3½ 5 1013 203
7 Philip AA Tozer 193A 120561E w28+ b48+ w1- b22+ w11= 3½ 5 1002 200
8 Stephen P Dilleigh 191A 109679F b38+ w31+ w4= b11= w14= 3½ 5 1017 203
9 John KF Stephens 189D 155629A w43= b29+ bye= w41+ b6= 3½ 4 764 191
10 Graham Bolt 188A 106951C bye= b40+ w21+ b4= w5= 3½ 4 826 207
11 Michael FG Duggan 184C 144117G b42+ w2= b3+ w8= b7= 3½ 5 1033 207
12 Paul D Helbig 180C 112469K w49+ b30+ w6- b34+ w4= 3½ 5 1003 201
13 Paul DJ Hampton 175C 303090J w1- b27= w35+ b38+ w30+ 3½ 5 992 198
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Re: East Devon Open, 23-25 February
Do you know why they weren't FIDE rated?
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Re: East Devon Open, 23-25 February
I would guess that it is because they were using UTUSwiss for the pairings which follows British as opposed to FIDE pairing rules.
OK, so that begs the question why weren't they using the FIDE endorsed pairing program, Vega, or one of the programs which has received an interim certificate from FIDE like Swiss Manager.
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Re: East Devon Open, 23-25 February
It's a long running Congress that has never been FIDE rated. The move rate would permit it to be rated, but then the organisers would have to satisfy additional ECF and FIDE requirements. Some similar events have taken that route, others have not. I don't believe the pairing rules have any bearing on whether an event can be rated.Brian Towers wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:59 amI would guess that it is because they were using UTUSwiss for the pairings which follows British as opposed to FIDE pairing rules.
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Re: East Devon Open, 23-25 February
Something weird has happened to the PGN of the round 3 game Tozer-Rudd, resulting in move 19 going missing for both players and depriving us of an amusing finish. Unless I'm much mistaken, the PGN for the whole game should read...
Perhaps Jack could confirm whether or not I have correctly identified the missing moves.
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Re: East Devon Open, 23-25 February
So what?Brian Towers wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:59 amI would guess that it is because they were using UTUSwiss for the pairings which follows British as opposed to FIDE pairing rules.
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Re: East Devon Open, 23-25 February
Which additional ECF requirements? I'm still trying to get to grips with the problems that seem unique to the ECF.Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:06 ambut then the organisers would have to satisfy additional ECF and FIDE requirements.
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Re: East Devon Open, 23-25 February
John has indeed correctly identified the missing moves. I'll correct my original post.
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Re: East Devon Open, 23-25 February
The only one I can think of is that the ENG players in the Open would have to be Gold rather than Silver members, but I suspect most of them already are, and very few of the rest would begrudge the upgrade fee.NickFaulks wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:35 amWhich additional ECF requirements? I'm still trying to get to grips with the problems that seem unique to the ECF.Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:06 ambut then the organisers would have to satisfy additional ECF and FIDE requirements.
Other than that, there's no issue. The time control's fine and Tony Tatam, the section arbiter, is FIDE-registered.
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Re: East Devon Open, 23-25 February
Some organisers of weekend congresses adopt FIDE rating because they think that it encourages entries. Others eschew it because they think that it discourages entries.NickFaulks wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:35 amWhich additional ECF requirements? I'm still trying to get to grips with the problems that seem unique to the ECF.Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:06 ambut then the organisers would have to satisfy additional ECF and FIDE requirements.
Each according to their own. The UK is a free country.
Speaking for myself, I won't encourage people to have their tournaments FIDE rated until the Qualification Commission removes the barriers (minimum 4 hour playing session for players rated 2200+; first time control if any must be after 40 moves).
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Re: East Devon Open, 23-25 February
East Devon would satisfy that one with a move rate of 40 moves in 100 minutes plus 20. Next year it might not as according to the organisers venue availability may preclude a Friday evening round.David Sedgwick wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:07 pmSpeaking for myself, I won't encourage people to have their tournaments FIDE rated until the Qualification Commission removes the barriers (minimum 4 hour playing session for players rated 2200+; first time control if any must be after 40 moves).
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Re: East Devon Open, 23-25 February
Absolutely so. However, the same people who prefer games not to be rated should not complain that the FIDE ratings of their opponents are unreliable because they are based on so few games.David Sedgwick wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:07 pmEach according to their own. The UK is a free country.
Even when the chosen time control does in fact accord with the regulations? That seems rather perverse.Speaking for myself, I won't encourage people to have their tournaments FIDE rated until the Qualification Commission removes the barriers (minimum 4 hour playing session for players rated 2200+; first time control if any must be after 40 moves).
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Re: East Devon Open, 23-25 February
Circumstances can change. As Roger has pointed out, that may apply to the East Devon Congress, although I didn't know that when I posted previously.NickFaulks wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:17 pmEven when the chosen time control does in fact accord with the regulations? That seems rather perverse.David Sedgwick wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:07 pmSpeaking for myself, I won't encourage people to have their tournaments FIDE rated until the Qualification Commission removes the barriers (minimum 4 hour playing session for players rated 2200+; first time control if any must be after 40 moves).
Have you never had to tell the organisers of a FIDE rated event that they would have to abandon FIDE rating if they made an otherwise desirable change to their time limits?
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