Dortmund 26 July to 4 August 2013

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Re: Dortmund 26 July to 4 August 2013

Post by John Moore » Sun Jul 28, 2013 4:58 pm

Makes a draw with Black with best play, maybe.

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Re: Dortmund 26 July to 4 August 2013

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Sun Jul 28, 2013 5:05 pm

John Moore wrote:Makes a draw with Black with best play, maybe.
Which position are you talking about? The current position (after 23...Rf2+) is just won for Black.

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Re: Dortmund 26 July to 4 August 2013

Post by David Grobler » Sun Jul 28, 2013 5:07 pm

Caruana is thinking so much...presumably thinking of resigning now :-)

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Re: Dortmund 26 July to 4 August 2013

Post by John Moore » Sun Jul 28, 2013 5:08 pm

Well the piece sac is just a draw isn't it. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.

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Re: Dortmund 26 July to 4 August 2013

Post by Angus French » Sun Jul 28, 2013 5:14 pm

The only piece Caruana has in play is his king. (Well, almost.)

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Re: Dortmund 26 July to 4 August 2013

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Sun Jul 28, 2013 5:23 pm

John Moore wrote:Well the piece sac is just a draw isn't it. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.
Ah, you meant the initial sacrifice of the bishop on f8? 21.Bg5 was better than what was played (21.f6), but to be fair to Caruana, it is not an easy position to work out (but surely he should have prepared this position?).

And there are still plenty of chances for Adams to go wrong. In the current position the Houdini engine is saying that 26...Rd8+ (which has just been played) is -2.71, while 26...Rh3 is 'only' -0.91.

EDIT: Surely won now, after 27...Rxc3+.
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Re: Dortmund 26 July to 4 August 2013

Post by Angus French » Sun Jul 28, 2013 5:27 pm

Christopher Kreuzer wrote:... there are still plenty of chances for Adams to go wrong. In the current position the Houdini engine is saying that 26...Rd8+ (which has just been played) is -2.71, while 26...Rh3 is 'only' -0.91.
26... Rd8+ is nice as if 27 Kc2 then ... Rxc3+ wins a piece.

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Re: Dortmund 26 July to 4 August 2013

Post by stevencarr » Sun Jul 28, 2013 5:28 pm

Angus French wrote:
Christopher Kreuzer wrote:... there are still plenty of chances for Adams to go wrong. In the current position the Houdini engine is saying that 26...Rd8+ (which has just been played) is -2.71, while 26...Rh3 is 'only' -0.91.
26... Rd8+ is nice as if 27 Kc2 then ... Rxc3+ wins a piece.
If? Do you mean when, as Fab has just played it....

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Re: Dortmund 26 July to 4 August 2013

Post by Simon Brown » Sun Jul 28, 2013 5:30 pm

Didn't Mickey beat Caruana with black a few months ago?

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Re: Dortmund 26 July to 4 August 2013

Post by LawrenceCooper » Sun Jul 28, 2013 5:30 pm

Angus French wrote:
Christopher Kreuzer wrote:... there are still plenty of chances for Adams to go wrong. In the current position the Houdini engine is saying that 26...Rd8+ (which has just been played) is -2.71, while 26...Rh3 is 'only' -0.91.
26... Rd8+ is nice as if 27 Kc2 then ... Rxc3+ wins a piece.
Which makes it all the more surprising he played Kc2 :shock: Admittedly Ke2 seems to lose tactically. I wonder what he missed from move 21 onwards when playing this line :?

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Re: Dortmund 26 July to 4 August 2013

Post by John Moore » Sun Jul 28, 2013 5:31 pm

Chris. you may be watching one of the great games by a British player. White can make a draw in some positions but Black is always fine out of the opening.

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Re: Dortmund 26 July to 4 August 2013

Post by stevencarr » Sun Jul 28, 2013 5:39 pm

3 pawns up against Caruana.

Even I could take over now!

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Re: Dortmund 26 July to 4 August 2013

Post by LawrenceCooper » Sun Jul 28, 2013 5:41 pm

stevencarr wrote:3 pawns up against Caruana.

Even I could take over now!
It's only really two but I'm sure Mickey would have taken this at the start :D

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Re: Dortmund 26 July to 4 August 2013

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Sun Jul 28, 2013 5:45 pm

John Moore wrote:Chris. you may be watching one of the great games by a British player. White can make a draw in some positions but Black is always fine out of the opening.
True. In the real classics, though, the loser resigns at the right moment. Caruana will be two pawns down and I'm not quite sure where any saving chances for him can be found.

The Chessbomb comments are still hilarious:

"all the english players always say Adams is a boss"

(the younger generation having to be reminded how Adams was in the top 10 for many years).

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Re: Dortmund 26 July to 4 August 2013

Post by David Grobler » Sun Jul 28, 2013 5:50 pm

is this a dead cert win ?

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