How to Swindle in Chess
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Re: How to Swindle in Chess
Not in the slightest absurd or disrespectful, Leonard. Luke McShane was until recently an amateur, so was Mestel even when winning three British Championships. I already made it clear that amateurs can be dangerous and talented, and as good as many "professionals", so really ... at the most this is about how you want to define the word "amateur"
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Re: How to Swindle in Chess
With perhaps the odd exception, weren't most of the opposition in the 1969 book amongst the top players of the era, or if not top players were nevertheless competing in top events? One was the Australian in an Interzonal whose name I fail to recall, who tried and failed to demonstrate that a simple and obvious plan against Larsen's Bishops Opening worked. That was 1. e4 e5 2. Bc4 Nf6 3. d3 d5 .Kevin Thurlow wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 2:01 pm"Why would Larsen refer to him as "the Dutch master""
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Re: How to Swindle in Chess
Berger. Larsen gives ...d5 a question mark, but I'm not sure it's that bad.
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As somebody who is familiar with that line as White, 4....d5?! is probably the most accurate annotation.Nick Ivell wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 3:03 pmBerger. Larsen gives ...d5 a question mark, but I'm not sure it's that bad.
Slightly suspect, but far from an automatic loss. Have lost to it a couple of times myself (even if not because of the opening!)
As for TDvS, he took a draw with Polugayevsky in the 1966 Beverwijk (as it still was back then) event when he stood much better (the game's in the first ever Chess Informant) He could certainly play a bit, even if Donner got a few digs in about his ability (but of course few Dutch players escaped that, maybe only Euwe and Timman) And carried on playing at a decent level well into old age.
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No, it is about how YOU defined amateur in your first post as an unnamed and by implication weak opponent outsmarted by the clever GM, and subsequently persisted with that, while trying to compliment yourself,Jonathan Rogers wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 2:52 pmNot in the slightest absurd or disrespectful, Leonard. Luke McShane was until recently an amateur, so was Mestel even when winning three British Championships. I already made it clear that amateurs can be dangerous and talented, and as good as many "professionals", so really ... at the most this is about how you want to define the word "amateur"
in your subsequent post, all the while failing to mention that you were actually referring to a named strong IM competing against Larsen in the GM section at Beverwijk.
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Re: How to Swindle in Chess
Isn't it move three in our line above? (Roger has 1...d5, by the way, which he may wish to amend.)Matt Mackenzie wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 3:20 pmAs somebody who is familiar with that line as White, 4....d5?! is probably the most accurate annotation.Nick Ivell wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 3:03 pmBerger. Larsen gives ...d5 a question mark, but I'm not sure it's that bad.
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I'd forgotten his name, that's why i didn't mention it - and this was obvious, since I couldn't find the game. I did know that it was not one of the few professional of the age, so used the word amateur - apart from anyting else, it would help anyone who wanted to search for the game, who knew not to look at games against the elite at the time. Since I made it very clear that in my mind amateurs can be very strong players, I am a bit surprised by your reaction, and in more than one way.Leonard Barden wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 3:38 pmNo, it is about how YOU defined amateur in your first post as an unnamed and by implication weak opponent outsmarted by the clever GM, and subsequently persisted with that, while trying to compliment yourself,Jonathan Rogers wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 2:52 pmNot in the slightest absurd or disrespectful, Leonard. Luke McShane was until recently an amateur, so was Mestel even when winning three British Championships. I already made it clear that amateurs can be dangerous and talented, and as good as many "professionals", so really ... at the most this is about how you want to define the word "amateur"
in your subsequent post, all the while failing to mention that you were actually referring to a named strong IM competing against Larsen in the GM section at Beverwijk.
Why didn't you just calmly add a note as to exactly how strong an amateur he was?
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I looked Berger up. He was a Hungarian who left for Australia after 1956 having previous played in the Hungarian Championship. Not then as Larsen implies a novice from the back of beyond.
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Re: How to Swindle in Chess
I think we are in reality talking about 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bc4 Nf6 4 d3 and then.....d5?! here.JustinHorton wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 4:16 pmIsn't it move three in our line above? (Roger has 1...d5, by the way, which he may wish to amend.)Matt Mackenzie wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 3:20 pmAs somebody who is familiar with that line as White, 4....d5?! is probably the most accurate annotation.Nick Ivell wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 3:03 pmBerger. Larsen gives ...d5 a question mark, but I'm not sure it's that bad.
(Larsen - Berger transposed to this more usual line after 5 Nf3 Nc6)
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