Brian Eley
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People forget that Brian Eley was subject of a report on BBC1's crime watch as being wanted by interpol. The situation deemed so serious as to warrant that. Several years after he jumped bail I got information that he was living in Amsterdam and I contacted crime stoppers who said they would pass the information on. I repeated that several years later when another source confirmed he was quite easily to be found in Amsterdam. I have always found it troubling that he was never apprehended and brought back to the UK to answer the allegations against him. I rather suspect we will never find out why that never happened.
The man is dead but that ought not stop a final examination of the allegations and see what lessons could or have been learned.
As a retired Policeman I have always taken the view that if he had nothing to hide why did he get onto his toes (sorry, a police expression) and do a runner. A massive indication of guilt.
The man is dead but that ought not stop a final examination of the allegations and see what lessons could or have been learned.
As a retired Policeman I have always taken the view that if he had nothing to hide why did he get onto his toes (sorry, a police expression) and do a runner. A massive indication of guilt.
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Totally out of order that Terry didn't get the support he deserved.
Another example of justice not being done.
Another example of justice not being done.
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I should also point out that Eley was team manager of the 1977 Glorney squad, held outside Dublin.
How the hell did he keep getting these important jobs? My question is rhetorical; I don't expect it ever to be sensibly answered.
On a separate note, Dublin 77 will live in infamy as the worst accommodation ever offered to a national squad.
How the hell did he keep getting these important jobs? My question is rhetorical; I don't expect it ever to be sensibly answered.
On a separate note, Dublin 77 will live in infamy as the worst accommodation ever offered to a national squad.
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Franciscan College, Gormanston, County Meath, was the venue, actually a school north of Dublin.Nick Ivell wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 6:08 pmI should also point out that Eley was team manager of the 1977 Glorney squad, held outside Dublin.
How the hell did he keep getting these important jobs? My question is rhetorical; I don't expect it ever to be sensibly answered.
On a separate note, Dublin 77 will live in infamy as the worst accommodation ever offered to a national squad.
I was there in 1977 as a trainer for the Irish Glorney and Faber teams. I don't remember Eley being there but I am not contradicting you.
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The whole thing stinks.
Since 1979 the late David Anderton was well apprised of what the guy was up to. Bartden has long known too.
In 1985 Dunnington told Keene in no uncertain terms what Eley had tried to do with him.
I asked Dunnington, "Do you think he´s buggered people?"
He replied. "I´m sure he´s buggered people!"
Stewart Reuben has long opined that Answerton simply did not want the scandal.
I agree.
I am near certain that two people who have each held very senior positions in the BCF are spies who worked for MI6.
I hear that Eley was fluent in Russian...
His not infrequent attendance in Amsterdam cafés was well known.
Strings were being pulled to save that bastard´s neck.
The whole thing stinks.
Since 1979 the late David Anderton was well apprised of what the guy was up to. Bartden has long known too.
In 1985 Dunnington told Keene in no uncertain terms what Eley had tried to do with him.
I asked Dunnington, "Do you think he´s buggered people?"
He replied. "I´m sure he´s buggered people!"
Stewart Reuben has long opined that Answerton simply did not want the scandal.
I agree.
I am near certain that two people who have each held very senior positions in the BCF are spies who worked for MI6.
I hear that Eley was fluent in Russian...
His not infrequent attendance in Amsterdam cafés was well known.
Strings were being pulled to save that bastard´s neck.
The whole thing stinks.
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I was also in that 1980 Glorney Cup team, along with Julian Hodgson, Peter Wells, and presumably one or more others. I didn't know of Eley before, but it was obvious fairly quickly that he was a paedophile of a type well known to me from various boarding schools. I assessed him at the time as a familiar and not dangerous sort, no doubt mistakenly - indeed some of his predecessors in my experience were recently jailed for quite considerable terms. Contrary to Nick's recollection, though, I recall him as being quite interesting when looking through the games. I also remember the mysterious default, not least because Julian and myself took advantage of the opportunity to go and watch the county cricket. Another thing I remember is team members gradually ceasing to play, so that at the start I was board three, but by the finish I played board one against Scotland (against Mark Condie, I think). I don't remember why that was - do you, Nick? I can't quite work out how we managed to have a full team without, presumably, you and Julian. Perhaps we didn't.
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A thought has just crossed my mind which maybe someone can dispel. Is it possible that the reason Eley was able to reside fairly openly in Amsterdam simply because extradition was impossible through whatever the UK authorities were about to throw at him not being criminaI offences in the Netherlands? I claim no particular expertise in this area but 'dual criminality' often seems to be required for extradition to apply.
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Well to know that we would maybe have to know what specifically the police in the UK were considering charging him with, but I would want concrete proof that behaviour of a kind deemed criminal in the UK were not also criminal in the Netherlands.
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Yes, my previous post contained a hypothesis and not an assertion.JustinHorton wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:49 pmWell to know that we would maybe have to know what specifically the police in the UK were considering charging him with, but I would want concrete proof that behaviour of a kind deemed criminal in the UK were not also criminal in the Netherlands.
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I remember playing in 1980 to the finish, although the match against Scotland never got off the ground.
I also seem to recall William Watson being part of the team, but my memories do get easily mixed up with the 1977 event.
I too did not regard Eley as particularly dangerous at the time. How wrong I was!
I also seem to recall William Watson being part of the team, but my memories do get easily mixed up with the 1977 event.
I too did not regard Eley as particularly dangerous at the time. How wrong I was!
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I know nothing about Eley's alleged involvement with the spy industry.
I would however have thought that the spooks would not have wanted to touch him with a bargepole. A blabbermouth, and open to blackmail.
I would however have thought that the spooks would not have wanted to touch him with a bargepole. A blabbermouth, and open to blackmail.
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William Watson was indeed part of the 1980 team, on board 2. I played him - I think you all turned up half an hour late. You did have a full team that day, as you beat Wales 5.5-0.5.
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You can be sure we weren't spending that rogue half-hour doing opening prep!
In fact I don't recall doing a minute's prep during the entire tournament. It wasn't Eley's style.
I remember him being dismissive of the other teams; the Scots were the 'Picts', for example.
In fact I don't recall doing a minute's prep during the entire tournament. It wasn't Eley's style.
I remember him being dismissive of the other teams; the Scots were the 'Picts', for example.
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First, my thanks to Kevin for posting for me yesterday. I am now activated and can post for myself, I think.
A small point to add to my previous post. My memory of the 1980 Glorney Cup is that the England team arrived too late for the final round, and had already been disqualified when they reached the boards. Just the culmination of bad behaviour ordered by Brian Eley.
A small point to add to my previous post. My memory of the 1980 Glorney Cup is that the England team arrived too late for the final round, and had already been disqualified when they reached the boards. Just the culmination of bad behaviour ordered by Brian Eley.
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From the very first round, Eley was telling us to arrive late. It didn't make us popular.