Living in the Past: The Chiltern League

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Roger de Coverly
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Re: Living in the Past: The Chiltern League

Post by Roger de Coverly » Thu Dec 07, 2023 10:11 pm

John Townsend wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2023 8:30 pm
Does the issue of which method is to be used not have some bearing on the timescales?
Back in September or Octover they tested whether the Oxford Fusion system could upload results immediately after the results had been reported. It can provided someone takes responsibility for it. I believe it involves creating a file and sending it to the ECF.

Whilst writing this (at just after 10 pm) I have received a notification that the results for one of tonight's matches in the Berks League have been reported. Admittedly It was a match with an early scheduled finish.

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Re: Living in the Past: The Chiltern League

Post by John Upham » Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:03 am

NickFaulks wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2023 12:42 pm
John Upham wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2023 12:12 pm
Inspecting the ECF LMS I'm struggling to find an entry for the Chiltern League
Why would you? They use Oxford Fusion.
My point is that games reported to the ECF LMS will be automagically be submitted to the ECF rating database and get rated in a timely fashion.

Games reported to the OF site are then reliant on yet more human intervention to get them submitted by means of exporting a rating file that has to be constructed. The potential for delay and error is increased.
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Re: Living in the Past: The Chiltern League

Post by Roger Lancaster » Fri Dec 08, 2023 12:15 pm

Moving a few miles to the East, the Hertfordshire League doesn't use LMS either. When the matter was discussed at the county's AGM earlier this year, it was pointed out that the bespoke system actually used also generated, taking into account various clubs' idiosyncrasies, the fixture list at the beginning of the season. LMS doesn't, as far as I am aware, offer a similar facility so it would have been necessary to retain the bespoke system for that purpose, in which case it wasn't obviously sensible to have two systems for different functions when one of those systems could combine both.

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Re: Living in the Past: The Chiltern League

Post by Roger de Coverly » Fri Dec 08, 2023 12:28 pm

Roger Lancaster wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2023 12:15 pm
Moving a few miles to the East, the Hertfordshire League doesn't use LMS either.
Bucks uses the same system as Herts. Results make it on to the ECF rating system faster than they do via the ECF's LMS. The ECF run to a timetable whereby they transfer data from their LMS to ecfrating on the 7th, 14th, 21st and 28th of each month. Systems capable of directly creating rating files can run to a faster timetable if their administrator desires.

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Re: Living in the Past: The Chiltern League

Post by J T Melsom » Fri Dec 08, 2023 1:16 pm

I'm happy with the Herts/Bucks system and also understand frustration with Oxford Fusion though i suspect it is a minority who are really bothered. But the output from the Herts administrator has changed over time in response to feedback through formal and informal channels. Sill seems a better approach than attention seeking threads in this place. I commend for reflection Peter Ackley's recent words on how to treat volunteers who are not modernising at the same speed. The response should be proportionate.

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Re: Living in the Past: The Chiltern League

Post by Roger Lancaster » Fri Dec 08, 2023 8:14 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2023 12:28 pm
Roger Lancaster wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2023 12:15 pm
Moving a few miles to the East, the Hertfordshire League doesn't use LMS either.
Results make it on to the ECF rating system faster than they do via the ECF's LMS.
Not entirely true. With LMS, instead of waiting for the 7/14/21/28 update, one can accelerate the results so that they're rated overnight.

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Re: Living in the Past: The Chiltern League

Post by Roger de Coverly » Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:40 pm

Roger Lancaster wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2023 8:14 pm
With LMS, instead of waiting for the 7/14/21/28 update, one can accelerate the results so that they're rated overnight.
Not a secret I had uncovered. How does it work?

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Re: Living in the Past: The Chiltern League

Post by Ian Thompson » Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:37 am

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:40 pm
Roger Lancaster wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2023 8:14 pm
With LMS, instead of waiting for the 7/14/21/28 update, one can accelerate the results so that they're rated overnight.
Not a secret I had uncovered. How does it work?
Not a secret at all - https://www.englishchess.org.uk/running ... ecf-rated/.

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Re: Living in the Past: The Chiltern League

Post by Roger de Coverly » Sat Dec 09, 2023 1:12 pm

This seems the relevant paragraph.
Rating your events
Set the event to auto-rating where the results will be submitted to the rating system on 7th , 14th, 21st and 28th of the month. You can also press a button to submit results whenever you want.
and from the Auto Rating tab on the LMS
Events with a status of OK will be sent to the rating system automatically. Events with results updated since 2023-12-07 will be included next time the process runs. The Resubmit button sends the event for rating immediately, although it will get sent again the next time the automated process runs anyway

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Re: Living in the Past: The Chiltern League

Post by Mick Norris » Sat Dec 09, 2023 4:42 pm

Yes Roger, surprised you didn't know that

I find once a week fine with rating the Manchester League results
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Re: Living in the Past: The Chiltern League

Post by Andrew Zigmond » Tue Dec 19, 2023 6:57 pm

I tend to use the "forced submission" if I have a round or individual game fall very late in the month but also if I have a raft of new players who I want to get into the system to generate a rating code asap.
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