Re: New Year Honours List
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 11:55 am
As expected. 2019 deserves to include Leonard William Barden more than anyone else. I wonder if anyone in the ECF would agree and act upon this ?
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As expected. 2019 deserves to include Leonard William Barden more than anyone else. I wonder if anyone in the ECF would agree and act upon this ?
I think Albert Finney and David Bowie both refused twiceLeonard Barden wrote: ↑Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:35 pmJohn
If you look at my Wiki entry, you will see
In recognition of his efforts, Barden was offered an OBE, but declined it.
That was in the Milner-Barry era. My understanding is that once you have declined an honour, you are never offered it again. Even if this were not so, I should still decline again now, so you should look elsewhere.
Barden does not have an international playing title, though his peak strength would certainly have got an IM title these days.soheil_hooshdaran wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:55 amWhy is it GM Barden (I say GM as you won British championship before)?
Well, countries can have titles for theselves, the way the U.S has NM, or the soviets had their own GMs before the collapse of SSSRMatt Mackenzie wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 3:24 pmBarden does not have an international playing title, though his peak strength would certainly have got an IM title these days.soheil_hooshdaran wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:55 amWhy is it GM Barden (I say GM as you won British championship before)?
So did England. Barden was a "British Master" as far as I recall. The BCF abandoned awarding its own titles in the 1980s when we had players with FIDE titles.soheil_hooshdaran wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:38 pm
Well, countries can have titles for theselves, the way the U.S has NM, or the soviets had their own GMs before the collapse of SSSR
It's a lifetime award.
I think the Candidate Master title existed for as long as the British Master title did. I assume it must have been abolished by 1995 otherwise I'd have been told I got it (as a result of getting an FM title).Michael Farthing wrote: ↑Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:59 amAs I recall it was always a difficult award to achieve, not significantly below IM. There was also, for a short while, a title of Candidate Master.
There was an old thread about this topic back in 2010 here:Ian Thompson wrote: ↑Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:09 amI think the Candidate Master title existed for as long as the British Master title did. I assume it must have been abolished by 1995 otherwise I'd have been told I got it (as a result of getting an FM title).Michael Farthing wrote: ↑Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:59 amAs I recall it was always a difficult award to achieve, not significantly below IM. There was also, for a short while, a title of Candidate Master.
There ought to be a list somewhere, e.g. the ECF web site, of who got these titles. I think you'd find there are quite a few players who were at their best between the 1950s and the 1970s who were British Masters but never got an IM title.
Not sure if it was pointed out here, but there is a picture of Murray Chandler being awarded this honour here:Christopher Kreuzer wrote: ↑Sat Dec 31, 2016 12:04 pmhttp://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8804220 ... -2017-list
"Among those appointed MNZM are [...] chess grandmaster Murray Chandler"
MNZM is Member of the New Zealand Order of Merit:
It is the lowest rank of the order, but still great to see it being awarded.