Bobby Fischer , a victim?

[AlanLlewellyn]

Was Robert James Fischer a victim of political harassment or what. I strongly suspect in 1972 the soviet leader declared Bobby an enemy of the people-the communist equivalent of announcing a fatwah. That is why some in the media choose to attack his image relentlessly and portray him in a bad light. A political motivated image assassination or character destruction. Now in the light of what Nigel Short said about me- some may think i am a front for Bobby but I hasten to add I have no links to him.
My concern for Bobby is because he motivated the western world to play chess through his brilliance on the chessboard, and has motivated me to take up the game. I am also although left wing I am well to the right of the communists, being a moderate socialist(there used to be some) and i am very political in both the right and left realms (ie i am center but look to distinct views right and left, not centralist views). If my voice CAN make a difference to Bobby(by explaining and showing concern for his wellbeing), which i doubt but if anyone is listening please help Bobbies image if he is dead.

[Chris Goodall]

That is why some in the media choose to attack his image relentlessly and portray him in a bad light.

Give us an example? Because of all the people who have ever called the Jews "subhuman", "scum of the earth", "scraping the barrel of humanity" and "have to be annihilated", it's hard to think of one who was tolerated by the media for as long as Bobby Fischer was.

[AlanLlewellyn]

That is why some in the media choose to attack his image relentlessly and portray him in a bad light.

Give us an example? Because of all the people who have ever called the Jews "subhuman", "scum of the earth", "scraping the barrel of humanity" and "have to be annihilated", it's hard to think of one who was tolerated by the media for as long as Bobby Fischer was.

put like that it is an open and shut case but what if he said those things under duress. I happen to know there was a campaign against him to murder him out of the public eye and the press subtlely campaigned to isolate him to that effect. he was just trying to say anything that might save his skin. next you will tell me alackhine died innocently and maybe also trotsky because an axe to the head often happens naturally

[Matt Mackenzie]

Fischer really didn't say the stuff he did (for example) after Sept 11th "under duress" - it was the real him, and genuinely what he believed. He was never totally "normal" (he was almost beyond doubt on the autistic spectrum, and no shame in that) but his later years were something else.

[AlanLlewellyn]

Matt with all due respect, he had a campaigned against him in the media that is hard to understand or cope with-he didnt have autism that is yet another insult from the communists he had schizophrenia probably and his pilloring for what he said is an example of cancel culture

[AlanLlewellyn]

i must explain the differences in mental illness here autism is cat like and schizophrenia is bird like and depression is dog like, if you assume someone is autistic when they are schizophrenic you are making a meal of things so to speak by placing a bird in with a bunch of cats

[AlanLlewellyn]

cats eat birds, dogs eat cats and birds eat dogs(by escaping from them leaving them to starve)

[AlanLlewellyn]

its the image (ie inverse) of paper scissor stone, paper=dogs=communists, scissor=cats=libertarians, stone=birds=liberals

[Matt Mackenzie]

Fischer was very likely on the autistic "spectrum" in some way - quite possibly Aspergers, which I have.

His later descent into full blown mental illness was different.

[AlanLlewellyn]

if you look at my ramblings(from the nigel short games in 2001) and have known me when i was ill the similarity between what i have said about communists and him the jews is remarkable, i am no psychiatrist but i have heard psychiatrists say he showed symptoms of what i suffered from which was psychosis which is a mania induced by schizophrenia its a classic case of misdiagnosis

[Chris Goodall]

Firstly that's the worst analogy for mental illness I've ever heard, but secondly: what duress? You're talking about statements he made long after the Soviet communists, the ones he embarrassed by beating Spassky, had all been cast into the political wilderness. Russia 2001 was run by people who hated communists almost as much as Fischer did. If any country had reason to taunt Fischer into saying something so stupid that his hosts would throw him out, it was capitalist America, from whom Fischer was a fugitive since his sanctions-busting match in Yugoslavia.

[AlanLlewellyn]

Firstly that's the worst analogy for mental illness I've ever heard, but secondly: what duress? You're talking about statements he made long after the Soviet communists, the ones he embarrassed by beating Spassky, had all been cast into the political wilderness. Russia 2001 was run by people who hated communists almost as much as Fischer did. If any country had reason to taunt Fischer into saying something so stupid that his hosts would throw him out, it was capitalist America, from whom Fischer was a fugitive since his sanctions-busting match in Yugoslavia.

Fischer was ill period you dont judge ill peoples statements unless youve got an unforgiving temperament

[Chris Goodall]

Firstly that's the worst analogy for mental illness I've ever heard, but secondly: what duress? You're talking about statements he made long after the Soviet communists, the ones he embarrassed by beating Spassky, had all been cast into the political wilderness. Russia 2001 was run by people who hated communists almost as much as Fischer did. If any country had reason to taunt Fischer into saying something so stupid that his hosts would throw him out, it was capitalist America, from whom Fischer was a fugitive since his sanctions-busting match in Yugoslavia.

Fischer was ill period you dont judge ill peoples statements unless youve got an unforgiving temperament

I'm not asking you whether he was ill. I'm asking you about the duress you think he was under. Your exact words were:

"what if he said those things under duress. I happen to know there was a campaign against him to murder him out of the public eye and the press subtlely campaigned to isolate him to that effect."

So I'm asking, what duress, by whom, and why?

[AlanLlewellyn]

Firstly that's the worst analogy for mental illness I've ever heard, but secondly: what duress? You're talking about statements he made long after the Soviet communists, the ones he embarrassed by beating Spassky, had all been cast into the political wilderness. Russia 2001 was run by people who hated communists almost as much as Fischer did. If any country had reason to taunt Fischer into saying something so stupid that his hosts would throw him out, it was capitalist America, from whom Fischer was a fugitive since his sanctions-busting match in Yugoslavia.

Fischer was ill period you dont judge ill peoples statements unless youve got an unforgiving temperament

I'm not asking you whether he was ill. I'm asking you about the duress you think he was under. Your exact words were:

"what if he said those things under duress. I happen to know there was a campaign against him to murder him out of the public eye and the press subtlely campaigned to isolate him to that effect."

So I'm asking, what duress, by whom, and why?

the russians declared him an enemy of the people its like putting money on his head, other people they have done so include trotsky alekhine and JFK.

[Roger de Coverly]

the russians declared him an enemy of the people

Citation? Surely that was Korchnoi.