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Re: Boris Johnson

Post by Matt Bridgeman » Sat Jul 23, 2022 2:36 pm

Err, I think I'll step off this particular crazy train. I'm grateful it's obvious Rishi and Truss are about as popular with the public at large as the clap. I don't think even Murdoch's empire can turn that particular boat around.

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Re: Boris Johnson

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Sat Jul 23, 2022 3:28 pm

The media in this country is overall right wing leaning, this is indisputable on any remotely objective assessment.
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Re: Boris Johnson

Post by AlanLlewellyn » Sat Jul 23, 2022 7:24 pm

yes attacking the most electable tory leader since Thatcher and replacing them with a libertarian or an im alright rich ee jack is very much in the tories interests, the press are really being pro-tory there.

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Re: Boris Johnson

Post by AlanLlewellyn » Sat Jul 23, 2022 7:33 pm

what i hope is they allow labour in power to increase public sector wages tremendously. Start off relatively small with inflation a problem, then go at the problem with tooth for leather. If the tories do it they dilute the message of entrepreneurship, alright if people understand it socialism they may not associate it in the long term with the tories, but diluting a message shouldnt be tried in my opinion.

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Re: Boris Johnson

Post by Chris Goodall » Sat Aug 13, 2022 8:44 pm

Matt Mackenzie wrote:
Sat Jul 23, 2022 3:28 pm
The media in this country is overall right wing leaning, this is indisputable on any remotely objective assessment.
The media in this country is accused by left-wingers of leaning right and by right-wingers of leaning left, which I think is the definition of being in the centre.
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Re: Boris Johnson

Post by AlanLlewellyn » Sun Aug 14, 2022 7:20 pm

the media has an agenda to discredit moderate labour socialists and one nation Tories in order that we put all our basket cases in with the fat cat neo-liberals so we end in a dead end politically probably quite literally.

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Re: Boris Johnson

Post by Chris Goodall » Tue Aug 16, 2022 7:01 am

AlanLlewellyn wrote:
Sun Aug 14, 2022 7:20 pm
the media has an agenda to discredit moderate labour socialists and one nation Tories in order that we put all our basket cases in with the fat cat neo-liberals so we end in a dead end politically probably quite literally.
Can you have 50 years of neoliberalism without it becoming just liberalism?
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Re: Boris Johnson

Post by NickFaulks » Tue Aug 16, 2022 7:13 am

Chris Goodall wrote:
Tue Aug 16, 2022 7:01 am
Can you have 50 years of neoliberalism without it becoming just liberalism?
and does anyone have a clue about what either of those terms means?
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Re: Boris Johnson

Post by Simon Rogers » Tue Aug 23, 2022 1:07 am

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Politically my views are very similar to Jeremy Corbyn (and I don't think Starmer's are that madly different - if he would have the courage of his convictions). However I believe that Corbyn did not have the skills necessary to lead a political party, let alone a government - it's all very well being hopeful and optimistic but you also have to bang heads together where necessary. Brexit is a case in point - while it would be very unfair to blame him for the whole as the other wing of the Labour Party were equally tone deaf - Corbyn provided no leadership or vision.

And while again it would be unfair to pin all the blame on Corbyn personally, as a Labour party member, I hold him complicit in the disgusting antisemitic racism that still infects the movement. More to the point I believed at one time that he was not antisemitic himself but his behaviour since relinquishing the leadership makes me increasingly unsure.
On Corbyn's alleged antisemitism and antisemitism in the Labour Party, I'd recommend watching this. And you can find much else besides if you look for it.
There is also the Andrew Neil interview of Corbyn on the BBC in November 2019 which you can Google.

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Re: Boris Johnson

Post by Angus French » Tue Aug 23, 2022 8:59 am

Simon Rogers wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 1:07 am
Angus French wrote:
Mon Jul 11, 2022 11:38 pm
Andrew Zigmond wrote:
Mon Jul 11, 2022 2:11 pm
Politically my views are very similar to Jeremy Corbyn (and I don't think Starmer's are that madly different - if he would have the courage of his convictions). However I believe that Corbyn did not have the skills necessary to lead a political party, let alone a government - it's all very well being hopeful and optimistic but you also have to bang heads together where necessary. Brexit is a case in point - while it would be very unfair to blame him for the whole as the other wing of the Labour Party were equally tone deaf - Corbyn provided no leadership or vision.

And while again it would be unfair to pin all the blame on Corbyn personally, as a Labour party member, I hold him complicit in the disgusting antisemitic racism that still infects the movement. More to the point I believed at one time that he was not antisemitic himself but his behaviour since relinquishing the leadership makes me increasingly unsure.
On Corbyn's alleged antisemitism and antisemitism in the Labour Party, I'd recommend watching this. And you can find much else besides if you look for it.
There is also the Andrew Neil interview of Corbyn on the BBC in November 2019 which you can Google.
... and the Forde Report which is here. Or you can read the reviews of it - Peter Oborne's is good.

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Re: Boris Johnson

Post by AlanLlewellyn » Tue Aug 23, 2022 6:19 pm

the point of pointing out to the left that they are self destructive is to empower them in a fit of self awareness so they recognise theyre own weakness is themselves- i am not trying to weaken the left and they should learn to first blame themselves for theyre troubles not automatically blame others. I dont profess to know if theyre is a simple solution to theyre problems i just hope there is.

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Re: Boris Johnson

Post by Chris Goodall » Fri Aug 26, 2022 1:01 am

To lead a group of leftists, you have to be the leftest person in the group, because left = moral and correct and good. To lead a group of conservatives, you have to be the most competent leader among the people who are roughly in the middle of the group.

This, rather than any "media bias" asserted by demonstrably biased people, is why the left always seem to be starting the game on -0.50.
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Re: Boris Johnson

Post by AlanLlewellyn » Fri Aug 26, 2022 4:09 am

Chris Goodall wrote:
Fri Aug 26, 2022 1:01 am
To lead a group of leftists, you have to be the leftest person in the group, because left = moral and correct and good. To lead a group of conservatives, you have to be the most competent leader among the people who are roughly in the middle of the group.

This, rather than any "media bias" asserted by demonstrably biased people, is why the left always seem to be starting the game on -0.50.
i take it you come from the shires i am the one of the few tory voters in my council ward and many places are still very labour, socialism hasnt been explained to people as rewarding hard work or equal opportunity or respect for all, thats basically what it means.

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Re: Boris Johnson

Post by Chris Goodall » Fri Aug 26, 2022 12:39 pm

AlanLlewellyn wrote:
Fri Aug 26, 2022 4:09 am
i take it you come from the shires
That's an odd conclusion to jump to. Explain.
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Re: Boris Johnson

Post by AlanLlewellyn » Fri Aug 26, 2022 6:09 pm

Chris Goodall wrote:
Fri Aug 26, 2022 12:39 pm
AlanLlewellyn wrote:
Fri Aug 26, 2022 4:09 am
i take it you come from the shires
That's an odd conclusion to jump to. Explain.
well the shires are the only place the tories hold sway, trump fixed the northern red wall seats with his links to the cia.