Re: Pedants United
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 2:07 pm
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I remember in my schooldays being asked to correct the sentence: "Who are you referring to?"Paul Habershon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:56 amCongratulations to Paul McKeown for the thread title in General Chat: 'To whom is she referring?'
It just has to be 'whom' there.
Agreed about 'So...' It's been around for years now. It replaces 'Well...' which is also unnecessary but inexplicably much less irritating.Alistair Campbell wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:53 pmSo, a couple of things that are irritating me:
1 - the action of people starting every other sentence with "so". (It seems to have become particularly prevalent on "Pointless".) Possibly it demonstrates a subconscious desire to conform. I've even started doing it myself. (Also, answering "I'm good", rather than "I'm well" when asked how I am.)
I remember in the 1970s working for a classically educated headmaster who complained about the use of 'hopefully' instead of 'I hope that...'. Unfortunately it has now become mainstream. The problem in the above example is that the adverb 'hopefully' is intended to describe the speaker's feelings but the speaker is not the subject of the verb 'won't happen'.MJMcCready wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:22 pmWhat about the following sentence: 'My team may be relegated this season, hopefully that won't happen though.' Anything wrong? If so then what?
Was the headmaster Welsh by chance Paul?Paul Habershon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 8:50 pmI remember in the 1970s working for a classically educated headmaster who complained about the use of 'hopefully' instead of 'I hope that...'. Unfortunately it has now become mainstream. The problem in the above example is that the adverb 'hopefully' is intended to describe the speaker's feelings but the speaker is not the subject of the verb 'won't happen'.MJMcCready wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:22 pmWhat about the following sentence: 'My team may be relegated this season, hopefully that won't happen though.' Anything wrong? If so then what?
I also think that the comma after 'season' should be a semicolon or full stop.
No, Mark, he wasn't Welsh. You may have been thinking of Idris Hussey, a club chess player who was head of the junior school on the same campus. (Lucky I checked this post - predictive text preferred Gusset for his surname).MJMcCready wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:20 pmWas the headmaster Welsh by chance Paul?Paul Habershon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 8:50 pmI remember in the 1970s working for a classically educated headmaster who complained about the use of 'hopefully' instead of 'I hope that...'. Unfortunately it has now become mainstream. The problem in the above example is that the adverb 'hopefully' is intended to describe the speaker's feelings but the speaker is not the subject of the verb 'won't happen'.MJMcCready wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:22 pmWhat about the following sentence: 'My team may be relegated this season, hopefully that won't happen though.' Anything wrong? If so then what?
I also think that the comma after 'season' should be a semicolon or full stop.
Do you ever read Ammon Shea Paul? I think you would find the following publication interesting on a number of levels.Paul Habershon wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 1:31 pmNo, Mark, he wasn't Welsh. You may have been thinking of Idris Hussey, a club chess player who was head of the junior school on the same campus. (Lucky I checked this post - predictive text preferred Gusset for his surname).MJMcCready wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:20 pmWas the headmaster Welsh by chance Paul?Paul Habershon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 8:50 pm
I remember in the 1970s working for a classically educated headmaster who complained about the use of 'hopefully' instead of 'I hope that...'. Unfortunately it has now become mainstream. The problem in the above example is that the adverb 'hopefully' is intended to describe the speaker's feelings but the speaker is not the subject of the verb 'won't happen'.
I also think that the comma after 'season' should be a semicolon or full stop.
That does look an interesting book. I see 'potatoe' is among many clippings on the front cover. I feel sorry for Dan Quayle, ex-US Vice-president, whose spelling mistake haunts him for ever. A Google search of his name immediately comes up with 'Dan Quayle potato'. Could happen to anyone.MJMcCready wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:22 pm
Do you ever read Ammon Shea Paul? I think you would find the following publication interesting on a number of levels.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bad-English-Hi ... 0399165584
On the subject of misspelling vegetables, I managed to humiliate myself at a family Zoom quiz on Saturday. When asked to name a fruit or vegetable beginning with 'e' I came up with 'eisberg lettuce' to the amusement of all. I shamed myself further by not immediately conceding and finding a couple of obscure Google links to that spelling before finally accepting defeat. I doubt I've heard the last of that although, thankfully, my audience is a bit smaller than Dan Quayle's!Paul Habershon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 9:27 am
That does look an interesting book. I see 'potatoe' is among many clippings on the front cover. I feel sorry for Dan Quayle, ex-US Vice-president, whose spelling mistake haunts him for ever. A Google search of his name immediately comes up with 'Dan Quayle potato'. Could happen to anyone.
It's one of the most engaging texts I've ever come across. More recently, the author read the entire OED, with its more than one million entries. He writes exceptionally well, I think you'd find it interesting.Paul Habershon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 9:27 amThat does look an interesting book. I see 'potatoe' is among many clippings on the front cover. I feel sorry for Dan Quayle, ex-US Vice-president, whose spelling mistake haunts him for ever. A Google search of his name immediately comes up with 'Dan Quayle potato'. Could happen to anyone.MJMcCready wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:22 pm
Do you ever read Ammon Shea Paul? I think you would find the following publication interesting on a number of levels.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bad-English-Hi ... 0399165584