ECF Online County Championship
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My player on board 13 won his game by normal means after ten minutes : will that result be scrubbed?
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I believe so. I believe the entire round has been scrapped.
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It really shouldn't affect the principles - there's loads of online service/games which manage enormous levels of reliability and chess is much simpler than many of them.Jon Underwood wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 7:35 pmI do too as I appreciate a lot of work has gone into this, but it will reinforce the view that the internet is for blitz.
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It was very different.
The Curse of Sedgwick struck for the first time during Round 1 of the Lloyds Bank Masters 1990, shortly after the first time control. Although I was then a relatively young and inexperienced arbiter, I was the only member of the control team in the playing hall at what should have been a quiet time.
I successfully evacuated all but one of the people in the hall. The exception was the late Sir Stuart Milner Barry, who, to put it mildly, was rather deaf. I don't think he even heard the alarm, let alone my urging him to go outside. In the end I just had to leave him to it and monitor the situation, (By then I was 99% sure that there was no cause for concern.)
This evening's events were a doddle by comparison.
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Had Chess.com implemented GSLB or some form of server load balancing then a server being rebooted would have gone unnoticed.
Perhaps the TAs responsible for the architecture will consider this ? Perhaps chess.com do not have any Technical Architects?
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I started my game just after 7:20 pm and it went fine i.e. I won
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Internet is still for the birds. That is not intended as a sexist comment.Jon Underwood wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 7:35 pmI do too as I appreciate a lot of work has gone into this, but it will reinforce the view that the internet is for blitz.
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John Upham wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 7:54 pmMy player on board 13 won his game by normal means after ten minutes : will that result be scrubbed?
The arbiters have been informed that games completed normally will be eligible for ECF Online Rating if the result has been duly submitted. We have been asked to pass on to the Controller the results which we have received, which I have done with those sent to me.Mick Norris wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 8:34 pmI started my game just after 7:20 pm and it went fine i.e. I won
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So what actually failed? Was it a coincidence, or is it that the chess.com server cannot cope with (no of teams)*(players per team)/2 games starting simultaneously.David Sedgwick wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:36 amThe arbiters have been informed that games completed normally will be eligible for ECF Online Rating if the result has been duly submitted. W
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Neither.Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:43 amSo what actually failed? Was it a coincidence, or is it that the chess.com server cannot cope with (no of teams)*(players per team)/2 games starting simultaneously.
"Failed" is not quite the right word. It was a server reboot of which very short notice was given. The ECF Online Counties Championships was by no means the only event which was seriously disrupted.
Chess.com have apologised to the ECF.
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Who we pass our results to?David Sedgwick wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:36 amThe arbiters have been informed that games completed normally will be eligible for ECF Online Rating if the result has been duly submitted. We have been asked to pass on to the Controller the results which we have received, which I have done with those sent to me.
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My captain is submitting my game to the Controller, Mark Murrell; not sure if that is correct, but Mark emailed the captains as followsNick Burrows wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 9:41 amWho we pass our results to?David Sedgwick wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:36 amThe arbiters have been informed that games completed normally will be eligible for ECF Online Rating if the result has been duly submitted. We have been asked to pass on to the Controller the results which we have received, which I have done with those sent to me.
Your players who were fortunate enough to play a game through to its chess conclusion (as opposed to server or directed conclusion or abandonment ) have played an ECF rated game under competition conditions. If those players wish to have their game submitted for rating they should do this through you. The URL will be required or the pgn.
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Ok, but I'm not seeing why I should be slightly bothered about an ECF online rating TBHDavid Sedgwick wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:36 amJohn Upham wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 7:54 pmMy player on board 13 won his game by normal means after ten minutes : will that result be scrubbed?The arbiters have been informed that games completed normally will be eligible for ECF Online Rating if the result has been duly submitted. We have been asked to pass on to the Controller the results which we have received, which I have done with those sent to me.Mick Norris wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 8:34 pmI started my game just after 7:20 pm and it went fine i.e. I won
The sequence I had last night was that my opponent messaged to ask me why I hadn't issued a challenge, and we agreed to do so at 7:10 pm as instructed; it got to about 7:15 pm before I could get the challenge issued, maybe nearer 7:20 pm; my opponent accepted and we started the game
At that point, my chess.com screen is just showing the game, no chat, no messages, and I was playing under tournament conditions; I'm pretty sure my opponent was too
I could hear WhatsApp messages arriving on my phone, but we had been instructed by the Controller not to use WhatsApp during play, so I ignored them
We then played what was for me an interesting game, not brilliant for either of us, but that's why we are in the u1825
Why can't the result count, even if most of the rest of the match has to be played at a later date?
Why would I give up another few hours of my time at another date?
Why would I be disadvantaged by my opponent, or a different opponent from that county, being able to see what I played and prep against it?
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It feels a bit tricky somehow if the teams are likely to - as you'd expect - change quite substantially in terms of who's playing in them.Mick Norris wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 10:24 amWhy can't the result count, even if most of the rest of the match has to be played at a later date?
Also it might make it even harder to motivate people to replay the 'lost' parts of the match. Yorkshire were apparently 4.5 - 1.5 up on completed games, would the other 6 pairs of players want to bother?
Just not easy
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My best guess would have to be that their architecture etc was set up when online chess really was unimportant fluff and so there either wasn't thought, and/or budget, put into doing things 'properly' for relatively serious chess.John Upham wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 8:19 pmHad Chess.com implemented GSLB or some form of server load balancing then a server being rebooted would have gone unnoticed.
Perhaps the TAs responsible for the architecture will consider this ? Perhaps chess.com do not have any Technical Architects?
See also some really basic things like teams matches being fixed to strictly use the servers internal grading list for team matches.
Since Covid is relatively short (medium) term problem, I guess there's little motivation for them to really invest in fixing things.