National Stages 2022

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Re: National Stages 2022

Post by NickFaulks » Wed Apr 13, 2022 9:47 am

Richard Bates wrote:
Tue Apr 12, 2022 7:42 pm
I'll be lobbying for the time limit in E3.3
You should not expect that option to be available in the finals.
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Re: National Stages 2022

Post by Mick Norris » Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:22 am

u1650 now clarified as:

Surrey v Lancs/Worcs
Yorks v Warks/Essex
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Re: National Stages 2022

Post by David Gilbert » Wed Apr 20, 2022 10:30 am

…. and Lancashire have withdrawn from the U1450s so Kent go through to the semi-final where they will play the winners of the Leicestershire and Surrey tie.

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Re: National Stages 2022

Post by Mick Norris » Tue Apr 26, 2022 8:35 am

Middlesex narrowly beat Suffolk in the u1850

G Man v Middlesex in the quarter final Sat 14 May @ Warwick University I think
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Re: National Stages 2022

Post by Mick Norris » Wed May 04, 2022 1:36 pm

Kevin Thurlow wrote:
Mon Apr 11, 2022 11:49 pm
"Notts v Notts juniors"

Is the draw random, or was that deliberate?
Notts won easily against the Juniors
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Re: National Stages 2022

Post by David Gilbert » Sun May 08, 2022 12:52 pm

Under 1450s. I hear Leicestershire has withdrawn so one of the semi-finals will be an all-SCCU affair of Surrey v Kent, possibly at Cheam?

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Re: National Stages 2022

Post by Stephen Westmoreland » Sat May 14, 2022 9:25 pm

Congratulations to Essex in beating the Yorkshire u1450s. A pleasure to meet you all and best of luck going forwards.

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Re: National Stages 2022

Post by Mick Norris » Sun May 15, 2022 8:52 am

4 match defaults; not good at all

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Re: National Stages 2022

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Sun May 15, 2022 10:32 pm

Yorkshire won by a cricket score against Middlesex in the Open! :shock: (13-3)

Though the Open averages seem to be down on pre-pandemic turnouts.

Good to see some county chess being played, though. Even though we are already at the semis in the Open.

https://ecflms.org.uk/lms/node/96300/jtable

You have to get to the U1850 before you find a full quarter-final line-up. :(

U1450 had a full set of quarter-finals as well, though unfortunately with two of those match defaults.

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Re: National Stages 2022

Post by MartinCarpenter » Mon May 16, 2022 9:02 am

These quarter finals have always been a bit tricky to get people to play in with all the travelling involved - goodness I've made the Yorkshire team the odd time :)

Definitely down on pre pandemic though. Yorkshire would typically have had Jim Burnett/Watson down around board 12 then 13-16 filled in with players on the strength of 9-12 here. Middlesex were obviously very weak indeed vs what they can do, and I guess that score was about predictable given the team strengths.

Interesting to see what the semi finals do - the pool of active county players pre pandemic did bias rather old, so it might be a real struggle to get them all back playing again.

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Re: National Stages 2022

Post by NickFaulks » Mon May 16, 2022 9:22 am

MartinCarpenter wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 9:02 am
Interesting to see what the semi finals do - the pool of active county players pre pandemic did bias rather old, so it might be a real struggle to get them all back playing again.
I'm rather old, and they won't get me back while I am expected to travel half way across the country to play a single game with a dumbed down time control.
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Re: National Stages 2022

Post by Mick Norris » Mon May 16, 2022 9:40 am

u1850 result as Lancs lose due to playing 2 ineligible players against Devon

Semi finals are:

Essex v Yorks
Devon v Middlesex
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Re: National Stages 2022

Post by Roger de Coverly » Mon May 16, 2022 10:01 am

Mick Norris wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 9:40 am
Lancs lose due to playing 2 ineligible players against Devon

What actually are the eligibility rules now? Does it depend on a specific month's list and how are unrated or estimated returning or new players handled?

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Re: National Stages 2022

Post by Mick Norris » Mon May 16, 2022 10:16 am

C1. Competition Season and Rating Lists

C1.1. For the purposes of these rules, a season shall start on 1st September and shall end on the date of the Final Round of the current Championship.

C1.2. (a) Rating limits shall be based on the published ECF standard chess monthly Official Original Rating List current at the start of the season (ie the September 2021 list).
(b) A player who has no rating in the list current at the start of the season may play in the Final Stage if: (i) the player acquires a rating in the ECF standard chess monthly Official Original Rating List current on 1 April, in which case this rating will be used, or (ii) permission has been previously obtained from the National Controller. Requests for permission must be submitted to the National Controller so as to arrive at least seven days before the player is due to play. The team captain must submit evidence from the local rating officer or master list or other source. Such a player shall be declared ineligible (or no longer eligible) if the National Controller is not (or has ceased to be) convinced that the player’s strength is clearly below the relevant rating limits. The National Controller shall, as soon as practical, assign the player a rating for the purposes of the Championship only.

C1.3. (a) For the purposes of board order in the Open section (see E4.2), the following FIDE standard chess rating Lists will be used for each round: Preliminary Round – 31st March Quarter Finals – 30th April Semi Finals – 31st May Final – 31st May
(b) A player who has no FIDE standard chess rating will be assigned a rating equal to his rating in the equivalent ECF standard monthly Official Original Rating List. For example, the 1st May list for the Quarter Finals.
(c) A player who has no current monthly Official rating will be assigned a rating equal to his last published rating.
(d) An unrated player will be assigned an estimated rating assigned according to the procedure of C1.2.

C1.4. (a) For the purposes of board order in all other sections (see E4.2), the following ECF standard chess monthly Official Original Lists will be used for each round: Preliminary Round – 1st April Quarter Finals – 1st May Semi Finals – 1st June Final – 1st June
(b) An unrated player will be assigned an estimated rating according to the procedure of C1.2.
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Re: National Stages 2022

Post by Jon Underwood » Mon May 16, 2022 1:01 pm

MartinCarpenter wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 9:02 am
These quarter finals have always been a bit tricky to get people to play in with all the travelling involved - goodness I've made the Yorkshire team the odd time :)

Definitely down on pre pandemic though. Yorkshire would typically have had Jim Burnett/Watson down around board 12 then 13-16 filled in with players on the strength of 9-12 here. Middlesex were obviously very weak indeed vs what they can do, and I guess that score was about predictable given the team strengths.

Interesting to see what the semi finals do - the pool of active county players pre pandemic did bias rather old, so it might be a real struggle to get them all back playing again.
Well perhaps there is hope as we fielded three still at school and one at university yesterday plus another two youngish players making their debut. And this was for close to the longest journey anyone would be asked to make (except the final...).

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