I don't believe Botvinnik thought he was being disrespectful when he played the Dutch. What's the difference?Roger de Coverly wrote: If Carlsen punts 1. f4, can he do better than Kramnik? But perhaps the world champion would be more respectful.
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Did Botvinnik or any top Soviet play the Bird's?NickFaulks wrote: I don't believe Botvinnik thought he was being disrespectful when he played the Dutch. What's the difference?
The story behind Carlsen playing 1. f4 against Kramnik was apparently that Kramnik had said that Larsen wasn't highly regarded as a role model in the former Soviet states.
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Strange given that the Bird is effectively the Dutch a tempo up, but the latter genuinely seems better regarded.NickFaulks wrote:I don't believe Botvinnik thought he was being disrespectful when he played the Dutch. What's the difference?Roger de Coverly wrote: If Carlsen punts 1. f4, can he do better than Kramnik? But perhaps the world champion would be more respectful.
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"Strange given that the Bird is effectively the Dutch a tempo up, but the latter genuinely seems better regarded."
Except black doesn't have to play 1....d5
Except black doesn't have to play 1....d5
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Though they *usually* do.
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True - I used to play 1....e5, and accidentally found a good TN in one line, but then there is the danger of 2.f4 to confuse you.
There was a guy at my work club and another from the home club who habitually played 1.f4, so I got plenty of practice against it.
There was a guy at my work club and another from the home club who habitually played 1.f4, so I got plenty of practice against it.
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I did wonder myself why Botvinnik never punted 1.f4. Maybe he was worried about the From, probably not. More likely, I felt, he was thinking of independent replies, perhaps Pirc-like, where the positional player may wish his pawn wasn't on f4. Interesting, but just idle speculation.Matt Mackenzie wrote:Though they *usually* do. { reply 1...d5 }
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"I did wonder myself why Botvinnik never punted 1.f4. Maybe he was worried about the From, probably not. More likely, I felt, he was thinking of independent replies, perhaps Pirc-like, where the positional player may wish his pawn wasn't on f4. Interesting, but just idle speculation."
Probably the latter. He played Pirc-like things himself, so might have been wary.
Probably the latter. He played Pirc-like things himself, so might have been wary.
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I find that era fascinating so I was interested enough to check. Bronstein, of course. But also Smyslov and Kortchnoi.Roger de Coverly wrote:Did Botvinnik or any top Soviet play the Bird's?
In view of the Botvinnik speculation, interesting that Ragozin, his second, played 1.f4 several times. So he surely knew about it. But I'm not sure how much of a factor respectability would have been, since Botvinnik was ploughing new territory in lines we now consider respectable. Perhaps not the Dutch though, which was probably in higher regard when Botwinnik was playing it than now.
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I think this discussion needs perhaps to consider the respectability of the various lines of the Dutch, and therefore associated approaches to playing the Bird's.
ie. Classical, Stonewall and Leningrad. Neither the classical nor Stonewall approach have much of a reputation with white, with good reason I think, and was the Leningrad Dutch considered particularly respectable (with either colour) in Botvinnik's time?
ie. Classical, Stonewall and Leningrad. Neither the classical nor Stonewall approach have much of a reputation with white, with good reason I think, and was the Leningrad Dutch considered particularly respectable (with either colour) in Botvinnik's time?
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For my 1976 Batsford book on the Leningrad Dutch (the first to appear I think) I did an historical introduction, but in those pre-database days I may have missed some anticipations of the opening. The name derives from investigations from about 1936 by masters from Leningrad, especially K. Vinogradov and E. Kuzminikh, later also Korchnoi.Richard Bates wrote:I think this discussion needs perhaps to consider the respectability of the various lines of the Dutch, and therefore associated approaches to playing the Bird's... was the Leningrad Dutch considered particularly respectable (with either colour) in Botvinnik's time?
Anticipations of the idea of combing the Dutch with a kingside fianchetto had been seen earlier.
An important early win for Black was the following game where N. Kopylov (later an ICCF IM) defeated Botvinnik (since you're asking) in the 1951 USSR Championship. There followed an article by Vinogradov in Shakhmaty v SSSR 1952. After this C.H.O'D. Alexander sometimes played it.
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According to this article FIDE Ethics Commission to study comeback by Kasparov Kirsan Ilyumzhinov, has claimed that Kasparov must first be cleared to compete. Given that Kasparov was disqualified for two years for alleged corruption and vote buying at the 2013 FIDE Presidential election in Tallinn in Estonia.LawrenceCooper wrote:http://grandchesstour.org/news-press-re ... lent-saint
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I guess that FIDE could threaten not to rate the event but not sure what else they could do.Chris Rice wrote:According to this article FIDE Ethics Commission to study comeback by Kasparov Kirsan Ilyumzhinov, has claimed that Kasparov must first be cleared to compete. Given that Kasparov was disqualified for two years for alleged corruption and vote buying at the 2013 FIDE Presidential election in Tallinn in Estonia.LawrenceCooper wrote:http://grandchesstour.org/news-press-re ... lent-saint
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As the election was in 2014, and in Norway rather than Estonia, the article is rather low on accurate factual reporting.www.insidethegames.biz wrote: Given that Kasparov was disqualified for two years for alleged corruption and vote buying at the 2013 FIDE Presidential election in Tallinn in Estonia.
Neither Kasparov nor Leong were banned from playing.
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Mr Kasparov and Mr Leong are both banned for a period of two (2) years from holding any office or position within FIDE, including its member federations, continental associations or any other affiliated international organisations, as well as participating in any FIDE meeting as delegate, proxy-holder or other representative of a FIDE member.