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The ECF website reports
http://www.englishchess.org.uk/iran-sus ... embership/

This is the same notice that appeared (and disappeared) on the FIDE website.

So has the suspension been rescinded? If not, is it a sign of FIDE internal divisions that the notice of the suspension doesn't appear on its website?

Do you remember Victor Zorza, Roger?

[He (alone) predicted the USSR invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968 and his detailed reasoning included analysis of the relative positioning of Russian "hawks" and "doves" in official photographs and of how the positioning was changing. Just up your street I should think. He wrote for the Guardian - perhaps Leonard could put in a word for you ]

Iran has not yet been suspended, as IA Shohreh Bayat says.
Iran payed most of the money, but is yet to pay by 80 dollars, reportedly.

soheil_hooshdaran wrote:Iran has not yet been suspended, as IA Shohreh Bayat says.
Iran payed most of the money, but is yet to pay by 80 dollars, reportedly.

FIDE issued a statement saying that Iran was suspended, we have so far not seen anything to from FIDE since then to say that this has been rescinded though the statement's disappearance from the FIDE web site is mysterious. Thus as far as the chess world is concerned Iran is still suspended.

Your statement allegedly from Shohreh Bayat is very interesting but you have not demonstrated where it came from ie a link, web site, newspaper report etc. Can you do this?

Chris Rice wrote:

soheil_hooshdaran wrote:Iran has not yet been suspended, as IA Shohreh Bayat says.
Iran payed most of the money, but is yet to pay by 80 dollars, reportedly.

FIDE issued a statement saying that Iran was suspended, we have so far not seen anything to from FIDE since then to say that this has been rescinded though the statement's disappearance from the FIDE web site is mysterious. Thus as far as the chess world is concerned Iran is still suspended.

Your statement allegedly from Shohreh Bayat is very interesting but you have not demonstrated where it came from ie a link, web site, newspaper report etc. Can you do this?

The statement was published on the ECF website at the instigation of CEO Mike Truran after I drew his attention to the FIDE circular. At the time the statement was also shown on the FIDE website. Then the latter publication disappeared.

As Chris has indicated above and Nick Faulks said previously on another thread, Federations should abide by the terms of the suspension unless and until they are informed that it has been rescinded. To date there has been no such notification.

I can't see any need for the ECF to become proactive unless there is an actual case of an Iranian player wishing to play in a FIDE rated event under ECF auspices.

Shohreh Bayat was an arbiter at the World Senior Team Championships in Crete, but that of course preceded the suspension. I have been told that she has said on Facebook (it may have been in a private message) that she would still be able to attend the FIDE Congress in Turkey in October. That may be true even if the suspension remains in place, as the published list of sanctions does not preclude Iranians from going to FIDE meetings. However, I appreciate that the attendance of representatives from a suspended Federation would also be rather odd.

If the notification of suspension is not (currently) on the FIDE website and that website is the only place where it has been published then any evidence of its existence is surely only the memory of people who happen to have read it.

Surely a suspension on this magnitude necessitates a formal notification to all member federations? Has that happened? Further, if the FIDE eligibility of all Iranian players is suspended has that been actioned by indicating this against all their entries on the FIDE database?

Michael Farthing wrote: Surely a suspension on this magnitude necessitates a formal notification to all member federations? Has that happened?

It's believed that the statement on the FIDE website was parallel to an email to Federations. That email has not been reported as rescinded.

The search
https://ratings.fide.com/advaction.phtm ... e&line=asc
comes up with 24726 names, but mostly of players set up on the FIDE server but without ratings (yet).

Michael Farthing wrote:If the notification of suspension is not (currently) on the FIDE website and that website is the only place where it has been published then any evidence of its existence is surely only the memory of people who happen to have read it.

"Any evidence of its existence?" Not sure where you are going with a statement like that but if what you are saying is that the publication of the suspension of Iran on the FIDE web site might have been a mistake then why hasn't FIDE also published a retraction and/or an apology? This would have been humiliating for the Iranians and if they had already paid up they would have wanted FIDE to make a public apology. Isn't it more likely that as soon as it was published the Iranians got in touch immediately to say the payment was on its way (or some version of that) and to please take the statement down? FIDE probably thought fair enough we'll give them a couple of days to see that the payment has come through. Of course that's just speculation until we see something concrete from either FIDE or the Iranians.

Michael Farthing wrote: Surely a suspension on this magnitude necessitates a formal notification to all member federations? Has that happened? Further, if the FIDE eligibility of all Iranian players is suspended has that been actioned by indicating this against all their entries on the FIDE database?

I would also be interested in knowing what the protocol is here. I checked the FIDE rating site and none of the Iranian players appear to have any flags or blocks against them. That would kind of lean towards the speculation above being correct. Certainly if Soheil's claims about a payment being made but a few dollars short was true then that would probably provide a reasonable explanation as to why FIDE are perhaps waiting before making another public statement.

Chris Rice wrote:

Michael Farthing wrote:If the notification of suspension is not (currently) on the FIDE website and that website is the only place where it has been published then any evidence of its existence is surely only the memory of people who happen to have read it.

"Any evidence of its existence?" Not sure where you are going with a statement like that

No hidden meaning other than the suggestion that something appearing on a website is not a satisfactory means (by itself) of making a notification like this. If Roger is right, then a more formal method has also been used.

Michael Farthing wrote:If Roger is right, then a more formal method has also been used.

I can confirm that Bermuda received the notification. In the unlikely event that an Iranian player turned up to this week's tournament, they would be told with regret that they could not take part.

Michael Farthing wrote:Surely a suspension on this magnitude necessitates a formal notification to all member federations? Has that happened?

Roger de Coverly wrote:It's believed that the statement on the FIDE website was parallel to an email to Federations. That email has not been reported as rescinded.

Roger is correct.

The announcement on the ECF website was based on the email circular received by the ECF rather than on the announcement on the FIDE website, although the texts of the two were identical to the best of my recollection.

I also received the circular in my capacity as Chief Arbiter of The Gambia Chess Federation.

As already mentioned, there has been no subsequent email cancelling or amending the first.

Michael Farthing wrote:No hidden meaning other than the suggestion that something appearing on a website is not a satisfactory means (by itself) of making a notification like this.

The ECF have notified directly the organisers of FIDE rated events taking place in May and June.

Roger de Coverly wrote: The search
https://ratings.fide.com/advaction.phtm ... e&line=asc
comes up with 24726 names, but mostly of players set up on the FIDE server but without ratings (yet).

How did you produced such a string?

David Sedgwick wrote:

Chris Rice wrote:

soheil_hooshdaran wrote:Iran has not yet been suspended, as IA Shohreh Bayat says.
Iran payed most of the money, but is yet to pay by 80 dollars, reportedly.

FIDE issued a statement saying that Iran was suspended, we have so far not seen anything to from FIDE since then to say that this has been rescinded though the statement's disappearance from the FIDE web site is mysterious. Thus as far as the chess world is concerned Iran is still suspended.

Your statement allegedly from Shohreh Bayat is very interesting but you have not demonstrated where it came from ie a link, web site, newspaper report etc. Can you do this?

The statement was published on the ECF website at the instigation of CEO Mike Truran after I drew his attention to the FIDE circular. At the time the statement was also shown on the FIDE website. Then the latter publication disappeared.

As Chris has indicated above and Nick Faulks said previously on another thread, Federations should abide by the terms of the suspension unless and until they are informed that it has been rescinded. To date there has been no such notification.

I can't see any need for the ECF to become proactive unless there is an actual case of an Iranian player wishing to play in a FIDE rated event under ECF auspices.

Shohreh Bayat was an arbiter at the World Senior Team Championships in Crete, but that of course preceded the suspension. I have been told that she has said on Facebook (it may have been in a private message) that she would still be able to attend the FIDE Congress in Turkey in October. That may be true even if the suspension remains in place, as the published list of sanctions does not exclude the list of Iranians from FIDE meetings. However, I appreciate that the attendance of representatives from a suspended Federation would also be rather odd.

Not only that
WFM Shohreh Bayat is the incumbant secretariess of the Iranian Chess Federation

soheil_hooshdaran wrote: How did you produced such a string?

Fide ratings site - advanced search - Iran

The question has to be asked, I suppose: what happens if a tournament ignores the suspension?