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Post by NickFaulks » Tue Dec 24, 2013 3:05 pm

Chris Rice wrote: Well it's good news I think that FIDE have recorded all his games as losses for that tournament and taken 64 Elo points off him.

I couldn't agree less. There are so many other ways to punish players, and the rating system is supposed to have something to do with how well you play chess. Giving his opponents bonus points is absurd - the organisers said that this would compensate them for the distress of playing against a cheater. If that's how they felt, I suggested it would be more appropriate to give them a refund of their entry fee, but for some reason they didn't see merit in that idea.
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Post by Chris Rice » Wed Dec 25, 2013 7:00 am

NickFaulks wrote:
Chris Rice wrote: Well it's good news I think that FIDE have recorded all his games as losses for that tournament and taken 64 Elo points off him.

I couldn't agree less. There are so many other ways to punish players, and the rating system is supposed to have something to do with how well you play chess. Giving his opponents bonus points is absurd - the organisers said that this would compensate them for the distress of playing against a cheater. If that's how they felt, I suggested it would be more appropriate to give them a refund of their entry fee, but for some reason they didn't see merit in that idea.
I do understand your logic but I don't see how this is any worse than getting free Elo points because your opponent's forgot to turn his mobile off for example. Still my preference would have been to not rate any of Kotainy's games at Dortmund and take him off the list for a couple of years at least.

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Post by Chris Rice » Sun Dec 29, 2013 6:10 am

Chess Vibes today says that the Bulgarian Chess Federation have banned Ivanov for four months but significantly not through proof of cheating. So I guess around April 2014 Borislav will be likely to resurface. Given he is now a worldwide media celeb some tournament is bound to let him in just for the publicity alone.

http://www.chessvibes.com/ivanov-again- ... federation

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Post by Chris Rice » Wed Jan 22, 2014 2:48 pm

After trying to unsuccessfully enter the Seville open recently Borislav has a new career…

http://www.standartnews.com/lifestyle-l ... 22237.html

Roughly translated it reads that the infamous chess player from Blagoevgrad has been crucified by the media over the past year and has now decided to jump over the " barricade " and become a journalist in local television. He has changed the chessboard with a microphone. Ivanov states that "for a long time I endured all sorts of unproven attacks against me. Not only from our [Bulgarian] chess federation but from my colleagues and certain media. Now, I will ask the questions and give my assessments of what is happening. I like being a reporter going to events. In December, I decided I had to try an internship in Blagoevgrad TV" Yesterday he was interviewing the Minister of Regional Development Desislava Ivanov although he admitted that he is worried , but hopes to gradually relax and do the job well.

He will not accept the appeal court 's decision to discharge him from chess and has decided to coach chess at 10 lev per hour (about ï¿¡4) .

"However the thrill for me now is journalism" said Borislav.

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Post by John Upham » Wed Jan 22, 2014 2:53 pm

Here is worse translation from Google translate:
"Blagoevgrad . A year Blagoevgrad infamous chess player Borislav Ivanov was " crucified " by the media. But he went beyond the " barricade " and a few days is a journalist in local television. Change chessboard with a microphone .

"For a long time endured all sorts of attacks against me in this unproven . Not only from our chess federation from my colleagues , but also by certain media. Now, I will ask questions and give their assessments of what is happening. I like being a reporter to go on events. In December, I decided I had to try . I took an internship in Blagoevgrad TV , "said Ivanov, who yesterday had a microphone to the Minister of Regional Development Desislava Ivanov. Southwestern University student admitted that he is worried , but hopes to gradually relax and do your job well .

Not be denied and the appeal court 's decision to discharge him from chess. Ready to prove and coach chess . Young FIDE - master and taught chess against 10 lev per hour.

"There is , however, very willing . And thrill me now is journalism, " said Bobby, which by the end of 2012 players and tournament organizers were suspected of using electronic and unauthorized assistance during their parties ."
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Post by Chris Rice » Thu Feb 13, 2014 9:01 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
Chris Rice wrote:I agree largely with what you say Roger. Let me bring people up to date on the German player, Jens Kotainy, as its quite interesting.

As I understand it on the 25 September 2013 the German Chess Federation found Kotainy, not not guilty (its not a typo!), but no sanction. The reason was that each tourney organiser has to sign a treaty with each participant of a tourney which accept the rules of the German Chess Federation. Since this (Dortmund) was a private tourney and the tourney organiser did not do this, the German Chess Federation decided it had no basis for any action.

Subsequently the Ethics Commission for FIDE was informed about this case and they will have to decide separately if they will take any action regarding whether Kotainy should be banned/suspended from playing
from "C-Kader" (German national C-team, essentially the Youth team).
Typical and pathetic. The Germans should be able to work out for themselves whether Kotainy is fit to play in their own youth team.
A week ago Jens Kotainy made a comeback in a youth team match in the Jugend Bundesliga, West Bochum 31 vs Paderborn. He played a 1900 rated opponent and easily won. According to reports he came in five minutes late and didn't shake hands with anybody including his team mates and didn't talk to anybody either. The game lasted four hours and he never stood up except only once to visit the toilet. After the game he left without saying anything. It looked as if he just wanted to avoid any discussions or insults. He seemed to feel uncomfortable to be in the spotlight. Unfortunately the game is not available but according to the reports there was nothing suspicious about it. It appeared an old man called Norbert Franke convinced Kotainy to play again and the plan is that Kotainy will also play all the coming matches for the youth team.

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Post by Chris Rice » Wed Mar 05, 2014 4:59 pm

Update on Jens Kotainy as he seems to have thrown in the towel and given up chess. Apparently it was alls his brother's fault ...

"My phone has previously used my brother." Because the cell phone was already lost once, brother and specialist Gregor have developed an anti-theft software for it. The program reporting on the Internet where the phone is straight. "Every ten seconds, the phone vibrates when it has just no internet reception," explains Gregor Kotainy.

Pathetic, guess that's why he had his hand in his pocket continually while playing. Good riddance. Anyway this is what he looks like in case he changes his mind and turns up in a tournament near you....

http://www.derwesten.de/staedte/hohenli ... map=%5B%5D

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Post by Roger de Coverly » Wed Mar 05, 2014 5:12 pm

Chris Rice wrote:Update on Jens Kotainy as he seems to have thrown in the towel and given up chess. Apparently it was alls his brother's fault ...
The article seem to imply that he or the whole family suffered serious reputational damage, even if the German Federation wasn't able to directly suspend him.

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Post by Chris Rice » Wed Mar 05, 2014 5:31 pm

Yes its somewhat unfortunate for the rest of his family that they are being punished for Jens Kotainy's cheating. If any of what he said was true then he could have easily told the organisers at Dortmund as soon as his phone went off every 10 seconds or better yet not brought the phone in once he noticed its erratic behaviour. However, he didn't do any of that because his story is bull**it and inevitably he got caught. He has since refused to take any responsibility and own up to his cheating and now his family are suffering. Its Jens Kotainy's own doing and for his own sake and his family's he needs to do the right thing and be honest about what he has done.

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Post by Chris Rice » Wed Mar 05, 2014 5:42 pm

Further update, well sort of, on Borislav Ivanov. ECU Silvio Danailov (SD) was interviewed a couple of weeks ago in Jerusalem by Israeli GM Ram Soffer. Here's how the conversation went...

R.S: Let's talk about cheating in chess. This is considered a serious problem, but only recently Fide has established a committee to address this threat on the game. What do you think should be done about this?

S.D: In Bulgaria We put the most simple method. We solved the problem with B. Ivanov easily. All players who wish to register our association must agree to be tested using a lie detector. If you suspect seriously about a particular player, we'll check it with a lie detector. Ivanov refused to be tested, so for us is to be guilty. In any case, no one wants him to play - chess community , players , organizers. The worst punishment someone is when society rejects him, even when no formal suspension. I believe the Committee against cheating. Level of technology is increasing day by day, and you can not fight technological progress. We can not afford to spend much money in the war on false pretenses. I believe that our method is simple, clear and easy. In big competitions is very difficult to track hundreds of players, but when you cheat again and again, chess players notice it right away.

R.S: In Israel there was a case of a player who was caught with a mobile phone switched on during a game in which the player won had a higher rating. The arbiter ruled it as a loss, but allowed him to continue in the competition because there was no proof that he cheated.

S.D: I think arbiters should be active in chess, like in football where they can decide the outcome of the game. Why Chess Arbiters want to be completely passive? In order to combat the threat of fraud, we need Arbiters to intervene decisively when there is suspicion. Anyone caught with the phone turned on should be removed from the competition as a whole.

R.S Is there a danger to innocent players will be punished because adversaries with a higher rating angry for losing?

I don't think so...

Source: http://www.chess.org.il/users/ShowNewsU ... ntTypeId=2

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Post by Bill Porter » Wed Mar 05, 2014 7:02 pm

Chris Rice wrote:Further update, well sort of, on Borislav Ivanov. ECU Silvio Danailov (SD) was interviewed a couple of weeks ago in Jerusalem by Israeli GM Ram Soffer. Here's how the conversation went...
If you suspect seriously about a particular player, we'll check it with a lie detector. Ivanov refused to be tested, so for us is to be guilty.
Source: http://www.chess.org.il/users/ShowNewsU ... ntTypeId=2
Last time I checked, some years ago, lie detector tests were thought to have an accuracy of about 50%, except with people (CIA etc ) who'd been trained to fool them.
It's certainly not a procedure that its exponents would want subjected to a blind trial.

Do we really want a player's career to be ended by an 'expert' saying there's a 98.372% probability that the player lied during the test?

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Post by Kevin Thurlow » Thu Mar 06, 2014 7:58 am

"Last time I checked, some years ago, lie detector tests were thought to have an accuracy of about 50%, except with people (CIA etc ) who'd been trained to fool them.
It's certainly not a procedure that its exponents would want subjected to a blind trial."

Yes, suggesting lie detector tests is stupid. They work on stress, and you would be stressed if you were caught cheating, but probably more stressed if you were being falsely accused...

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Post by Chris Rice » Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:14 am

I've learnt through Yuri Garrett who sits on the FIDE Anti-Cheating Committee ("ACC") that the ACC is around 2-3 months from releasing the results of their work and he wanted to share some of the likely outcome.

From what I'm told the basis of the ACC proposals will be a three tiered approach:

1. High Level official FIDE events;

2. Amateur/professional events; and

3. Junior events.

For each of these levels the anti-cheating obligations and procedures will be different and will take account of the different resources available to the organisers and the different players taking part in each kind of event.

The ACC will be moving towards a "speedy" trial, with fixed sanctions (1st offence 2 years, 2nd offence life ban). It is likely that once the ACC proposals in 2-3 months time are made the sanctions come into effect immediately from that date.

After this date if someone is caught for cheating and a sanction imposed they will have 30 days to file an appeal and the appeal will have to be decided (most likely by a different body than the ACC) within 45 days form the date the original decision was made.

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Post by NickFaulks » Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:40 pm

Chris Rice wrote: It is likely that once the ACC proposals in 2-3 months time are made the sanctions come into effect immediately from that date.
You would like to think that anything this radical would need to be approved by the GA, but perhaps nobody bothers about such details any more.
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Post by Chris Rice » Tue May 06, 2014 6:55 am

Chess Vibes today carries a story regarding Falko Bindrich, a 23-year-old grandmaster from Germany, who has sued the German Chess Federation for €68,000.

In October 2012 Falko Bindrich, who had just turned 22 at the time, was suspected of cheating during the first Bundesliga weekend of the season. When he visited the toilet during his game on Sunday, the arbiter asked him whether he had his smartphone with him. Mr Bindrich answered positively, but refused to show his phone whereupon the arbiter decided to declare the game lost for him, based on a new regulation:

“(...) During their game the players may not have or gain access to mobile phones, computers and other electronic devices without the arbiter's permission. In case of clear suspected use of tools mentioned above, upon request of the arbiter the players are obliged to hand over these devices for inspection. In case of clear suspected use of tools mentioned above, upon request of the arbiter the players are obliged to have their clothes, bags or other pieces of luggage inspected. When a player breaches these obligations, the arbiter may take measures in accordance with Clause. 8.1 of the tournament rules.”

A few days later, in a five-page document, Mr Bindrich rejected the suspicion of fraud. He claimed not to be using the toilet more often than is normal, and he explained his decision to not show his phone by saying:

“First and foremost, I see it as a direct invasion of my privacy. I cannot just allow anyone access to my phone. It contains my private data (very private images and messages) and sensitive business data. I should protect this.”

Mr Bindrich also wondered why he “needed to prove that he's innocent”, and also rejected the arbiter's request because he “did not know who accused him of cheating.”

In January 2013 the German Chess Federation banned Mr Bindrich from play for two years. Like in other sports, where an athlete is considered guilty when not participating in a doping test, the chess player was punished for not cooperating. However, in May 2013 the arbitration court of the Federation cancelled the ban, stating it was issued without legal basis.

Now, almost a year later, the story continues. Mr Bindrich has decided to sue the German Chess Federation for an amount of €68,000. This was mentioned in a monthly PDF magazine of the federation and picked up by the chess website Schach Welt.

Olaf Steffens, the author of the Schach Welt article, rightly notes that the amount €68,000 seems rather high, taking into account the average income of an average grandmaster over a period of four months. No doubt Mr Bindrich is also claiming a damage of reputation.

http://www.chessvibes.com/?q=bindrich-s ... 2%AC-68000

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