Discuss revised England teams for 2010 Olympiad
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Discuss revised England teams for 2010 Olympiad
Wow!
Well done to Malcolm Pein. Good on Stephen Gordon too, he must have had some initial disappointment.
The problem is that some people may interpret this change as the ECF not having the money to get Adams to play in the first place.
Does this announcement confirm that you will captain the Open team?
Well done to Malcolm Pein. Good on Stephen Gordon too, he must have had some initial disappointment.
The problem is that some people may interpret this change as the ECF not having the money to get Adams to play in the first place.
Does this announcement confirm that you will captain the Open team?
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Yes, I am hoping there will be no further changes to players and captains. I should point out that my decision was to keep the team unchanged as it had been announced and all players had agreed to play. Stephen was aware of this and it was solely his decision to stand aside.Alex Holowczak wrote:Wow!
Well done to Malcolm Pein. Good on Stephen Gordon too, he must have had some initial disappointment.
The problem is that some people may interpret this change as the ECF not having the money to get Adams to play in the first place.
Does this announcement confirm that you will captain the Open team?
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Is the event no longer being played in Russia? I thought that was the reason given for GM Adams non participation originally?
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I know how much playing for England means to Stephen, wonder if Adams feels the same given his initial reluctance? Very disappointed with how this has been handled. You say you wouldn't have changed the team but by making Stephen aware that Adams is now available you are in fact obliging him to stand aside for Englands no.1. Guess making it 'his' decision makes you feel better.
Should all have been handled before the teams were announced.
Should all have been handled before the teams were announced.
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...but on the bright side, England now has a full-strength team, and a chance to make the A Final. I'm looking forward to the draw for the initial groups.
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I felt it would be better for me to make Stephen aware than let him read it in the chess press. Perhaps you would have preferred people to be debating on the forum as to why Stephen didn't stand aside when he knew nothing about it. I actually think that very few players would have stood aside in his position so he should be commended for doing so.Adam Ashton wrote:I know how much playing for England means to Stephen, wonder if Adams feels the same given his initial reluctance? Very disappointed with how this has been handled. You say you wouldn't have changed the team but by making Stephen aware that Adams is now available you are in fact obliging him to stand aside for Englands no.1. Guess making it 'his' decision makes you feel better.
Should all have been handled before the teams were announced.
Clearly I was in a no win situation and viewed honesty as the best policy.
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Yes, there can be no complaints about how Loz has handled this. (And of course, credit to Stephen too).
But obviously this looks odd, given that playing in Russia was supposed to be the original problem for Adams. What does "the involvement" of Malcolm Pein mean?
Here is a challenge for forumites - thinking of the London Chess Classic, the Simpsons memorial, even the Rowson matches some ten years ago (not to mention what appears to be a private sponsor for Micheal Adams these days) who can name the most recent long-running series of sponsored chess events/individuals when the source of the sponsorship was public knowledge? is it Lloyds Bank, which finished in 1994?!
But obviously this looks odd, given that playing in Russia was supposed to be the original problem for Adams. What does "the involvement" of Malcolm Pein mean?
Here is a challenge for forumites - thinking of the London Chess Classic, the Simpsons memorial, even the Rowson matches some ten years ago (not to mention what appears to be a private sponsor for Micheal Adams these days) who can name the most recent long-running series of sponsored chess events/individuals when the source of the sponsorship was public knowledge? is it Lloyds Bank, which finished in 1994?!
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Smith and Williamson sponsored the British for a decade or so after that.
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I don't really see that there was anything else that Lawrence could do. Malcolm Pein is having a bigger and bigger influence on chess (which in my view is a very good thing). If Adams is playing at the Olympiad due to Malcolm's generosity, then I would take it that Stephen is also in line for some of Malcolm's generosity too. I guess he might get a lucrative contract to commentate on the London Chess Classic and next year the World Championships too? Stephen might have spent most of the time at the Olympiad sitting things out as a reserve. I would very much liked to see Stephen being part of the England Team, but in the end it might work out pretty well for him.
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Jonathan Rogers wrote
"Here is a challenge for forumites - thinking of the London Chess Classic, the Simpsons memorial, even the Rowson matches some ten years ago (not to mention what appears to be a private sponsor for Micheal Adams these days) who can name the most recent long-running series of sponsored chess events/individuals when the source of the sponsorship was public knowledge? is it Lloyds Bank, which finished in 1994?!
Is the answer Henry Mutkin - Varsity match?
"Here is a challenge for forumites - thinking of the London Chess Classic, the Simpsons memorial, even the Rowson matches some ten years ago (not to mention what appears to be a private sponsor for Micheal Adams these days) who can name the most recent long-running series of sponsored chess events/individuals when the source of the sponsorship was public knowledge? is it Lloyds Bank, which finished in 1994?!
Is the answer Henry Mutkin - Varsity match?
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This topic has been split at the request of Lawrence, sorry for the confusion in the middle of the day
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Oh, I didn't know the answer. Just askin', is all
Another interpretation of the "involvement" of Malcolm might be that only he can persuade our top two players to play in the same team together. Whatever it means, Matthew is clearly right about his dominant influence in English chess.
Here are quiz questions the answer to which I do know (I think) - when was the last time that a top player was added to a previously announced English Olympiad team (and who voluntarily pulled out to make room for him)? How did the team then perform?
Another interpretation of the "involvement" of Malcolm might be that only he can persuade our top two players to play in the same team together. Whatever it means, Matthew is clearly right about his dominant influence in English chess.
Here are quiz questions the answer to which I do know (I think) - when was the last time that a top player was added to a previously announced English Olympiad team (and who voluntarily pulled out to make room for him)? How did the team then perform?
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Yes that was the reason given, Lawrence can you comment?Sean Hewitt wrote:Is the event no longer being played in Russia? I thought that was the reason given for GM Adams non participation originally?
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That was my understanding at the time. Clearly subsequent events have made my postings on the matter look like total nonsense. It appears Malcolm has unlimited powers of persuasion.Carl Hibbard wrote:Yes that was the reason given, Lawrence can you comment?Sean Hewitt wrote:Is the event no longer being played in Russia? I thought that was the reason given for GM Adams non participation originally?
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I think Matthew wins.Matthew Turner wrote:Is the answer Henry Mutkin - Varsity match?