2023 FIDE World Cup Sun 30th Jul 2023 - Thu 24th Aug 2023

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Re: 2023 FIDE World Cup Sun 30th Jul 2023 - Thu 24th Aug 2023

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Sun Aug 20, 2023 4:44 pm

Salimova a pawn up in the one undecided game, but looking drawish now.
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Re: 2023 FIDE World Cup Sun 30th Jul 2023 - Thu 24th Aug 2023

Post by LawrenceCooper » Sun Aug 20, 2023 4:57 pm

Salimova did look well placed to win game 2, the world cup and achieve the gm title but now finds herself defending rook against rook & knight.

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Re: 2023 FIDE World Cup Sun 30th Jul 2023 - Thu 24th Aug 2023

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Sun Aug 20, 2023 7:03 pm

Geoff Chandler wrote:
Sun Aug 20, 2023 4:24 pm
Great attempt by Abasov to conjure up a winning attempt in that ending v Carlsen. Against a less alert opponent his idea would have worked.
You mean the 57.Bg4 move? Taking the Bishop is obviously bad, but the intermezzo 57...Bc6+ is needed before taking the a4 pawn. Is that the trap you mean (the immediate 57...Bxa4 being much worse than the game continuation of 57...Bc6+)?

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Re: 2023 FIDE World Cup Sun 30th Jul 2023 - Thu 24th Aug 2023

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Sun Aug 20, 2023 7:48 pm

LawrenceCooper wrote:
Sun Aug 20, 2023 4:57 pm
Salimova did look well placed to win game 2, the world cup and achieve the gm title but now finds herself defending rook against rook & knight.
Though that is usually a draw, and turned out to be so this time as well.
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Re: 2023 FIDE World Cup Sun 30th Jul 2023 - Thu 24th Aug 2023

Post by LawrenceCooper » Sun Aug 20, 2023 8:38 pm

Matt Mackenzie wrote:
Sun Aug 20, 2023 7:48 pm
LawrenceCooper wrote:
Sun Aug 20, 2023 4:57 pm
Salimova did look well placed to win game 2, the world cup and achieve the gm title but now finds herself defending rook against rook & knight.
Though that is usually a draw, and turned out to be so this time as well.
Yes, it was more a case of you think you are winning and then you have to adjust your mind set to making sure you don't allow a point swing.

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Re: 2023 FIDE World Cup Sun 30th Jul 2023 - Thu 24th Aug 2023

Post by Geoff Chandler » Sun Aug 20, 2023 8:50 pm

Hi Chris,

Yes, the 57.Bg4 move. I was looking for a shot like that quite a while before it appeared but fail. Then got it when d6 was played. Nothing pleases an old two trick pony like me more than seeing the good guys setting cheapo's v each other. I knew Carlsen would not take it but the sheer cheek of it was pleasing.

Re Abasov missing 34...Qf1 in the previous game. No way I'd have even considered that move. I note other players are saying the same. It does not light up the board as a threat, there has no danger signal (that is why both players missed it. Carlsen spent 5 minutes on 34.Qh2 ) I think if that game was played in the 1950's that move would have lay buried until Clive Sinclair came along.

Edit: Sir Clive Sinclair. (added in the forlorn hope I escape a nit-picker. )

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Re: 2023 FIDE World Cup Sun 30th Jul 2023 - Thu 24th Aug 2023

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Sun Aug 20, 2023 10:35 pm

Geoff Chandler wrote:
Sun Aug 20, 2023 8:50 pm
Re Abasov missing 34...Qf1 in the previous game. No way I'd have even considered that move. I note other players are saying the same. It does not light up the board as a threat, there has no danger signal (that is why both players missed it. Carlsen spent 5 minutes on 34.Qh2 ) I think if that game was played in the 1950's that move would have lay buried until Clive Sinclair came along.

Edit: Sir Clive Sinclair. (added in the forlorn hope I escape a nit-picker. )
Here is that Carlsen-Abasov game in full:



The position where Abasov missed 34...Qf1 is this one:



Black to move. It is worth analysing to understand why White is so helpless after 34...Qf1, unable to prevent the follow-up of 35...Rg6 and then 36...Rg2 or Rg1, with material loss to follow (the minimum loss is of the bishop on e5 if White uses queen and rook to defend the second rank). It seems obvious once found, but very difficult to spot over the board if you are not looking for something like that.

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Re: 2023 FIDE World Cup Sun 30th Jul 2023 - Thu 24th Aug 2023

Post by Geoff Chandler » Mon Aug 21, 2023 8:49 am

Hi Chris,

I think what makes it tough to spot is in a standard attack v a Black Castled King with an open h-file Moves like Qh5 followed by Rh1 are easy to see coming. Here after Qf1 the Rook takes two moves to get to g1 for the Qf1 to idea to bear fruit. It just not gel.

BTW I've found the opening variation you want named after you. It is in the The Petrov.


You as White play 3.Ng5 and after 3...h6 4.Nf3 Nxe4 you play the rest of the game as if you were playing on the Black side of the Petrov, your task is to prove that 3..h6 is a weakness. Good Luck.

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Re: 2023 FIDE World Cup Sun 30th Jul 2023 - Thu 24th Aug 2023

Post by LawrenceCooper » Mon Aug 21, 2023 1:04 pm

Another miraculous escape for Goryachkina in the first tie-break game with white's 33rd and 35th move perhaps being the crucial moments.

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Post by LawrenceCooper » Mon Aug 21, 2023 1:11 pm

Pragg also manages a great escape to keep the score level.

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Post by LawrenceCooper » Mon Aug 21, 2023 2:44 pm

Goryachkina wins the second rapid tie-break game in 105 moves to win the women's world cup.

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Re: 2023 FIDE World Cup Sun 30th Jul 2023 - Thu 24th Aug 2023

Post by LawrenceCooper » Mon Aug 21, 2023 3:36 pm

Praggnanandhaa wins the first rapid 10/10 game so Caruana will need to win the next game to keep the match going.

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Re: 2023 FIDE World Cup Sun 30th Jul 2023 - Thu 24th Aug 2023

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Mon Aug 21, 2023 4:16 pm

And as things stand Fab is significantly worse, it is likely only time issues can win it for him now.
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Re: 2023 FIDE World Cup Sun 30th Jul 2023 - Thu 24th Aug 2023

Post by LawrenceCooper » Mon Aug 21, 2023 4:33 pm

Matt Mackenzie wrote:
Mon Aug 21, 2023 4:16 pm
And as things stand Fab is significantly worse, it is likely only time issues can win it for him now.
Drawn in 80 moves so Praggnanandhaa into the final.

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Re: 2023 FIDE World Cup Sun 30th Jul 2023 - Thu 24th Aug 2023

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Mon Aug 21, 2023 4:38 pm

Stating the obvious I know, but a pretty remarkable achievement from Pragg already - regardless of what happens in the final.
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