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Re: 2022 US Chess Championship

Post by MartinCarpenter » Thu Oct 13, 2022 9:52 am

Geoff Chandler wrote:
Thu Oct 13, 2022 9:40 am
Regarding the 10 move game. It was played OTB in Hoogeveen in 2011.

https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1643297


Black, winning two minor pieces for their lowly Queen, played on. Which is how you must look at it and actually rejoices in the fact you have a lost game. Dave Smerdon goes into this in detail in his 'Swindles.' Relax, enjoy yourself, think up silly two movers, you have nothing to lose because you are already losing. Then citing examples. (good book)
Oh, that's an amazing book :) So much fun.

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Re: 2022 US Chess Championship

Post by Geoff Chandler » Thu Oct 13, 2022 10:03 am

Just spotted the post from Lawrence. That game is not his page at chess.com https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessplayer?pid=15777 I've submitted it as it predates the 2011 game.

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Re: 2022 US Chess Championship

Post by Roger de Coverly » Thu Oct 13, 2022 10:19 am

LawrenceCooper wrote:
Wed Oct 12, 2022 8:05 pm

I thought it looked familiar:

[Event "Paignton Premier"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "1990.09.04"]

I doubt that Paignton tournament made it to the big databases. Otherwise there's an American game in 1996 where Black may have spotted the problem and bailed out with .. Nd6. It was also played in the 2000 Olympiad where Black retook on e4 with the Queen and just gave up the piece on e7.

There was a German game from 1985 where White didn't spot the trick and played a normal Nc3.

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Re: 2022 US Chess Championship

Post by JustinHorton » Fri Oct 14, 2022 8:46 pm

I've been under the impression for close to half a century that Black's third was essentially unplayable. When did that change?
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Re: 2022 US Chess Championship

Post by NickFaulks » Fri Oct 14, 2022 8:59 pm

JustinHorton wrote:
Fri Oct 14, 2022 8:46 pm
I've been under the impression for close to half a century that Black's third was essentially unplayable. When did that change?
I wondered that too. This appears to be a proper game played in 2019.

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Re: 2022 US Chess Championship

Post by Roger de Coverly » Fri Oct 14, 2022 9:19 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
Fri Oct 14, 2022 8:59 pm
I wondered that too. This appears to be a proper game played in 2019.
I've faced it a couple of times in recent years as well as in school games long long ago.

In 1996 I gave the pawn back and won


In 2007 I tried to hold the pawn and could only draw.



I think it's better than its reputation and that returning the pawn for a position with initiative is a preferred way to go, for my style anyway.

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Re: 2022 US Chess Championship

Post by LawrenceCooper » Fri Oct 14, 2022 9:45 pm

A horrible game on my part, clearly 7 Qxe5 isn't best but I hoped to slow down my opponent who was blitzing out his moves.


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Re: 2022 US Chess Championship

Post by JustinHorton » Fri Oct 14, 2022 9:59 pm

Hooper, unimpressed with your seventh in 1967

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Re: 2022 US Chess Championship

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Fri Oct 14, 2022 10:25 pm

JustinHorton wrote:
Fri Oct 14, 2022 8:46 pm
I've been under the impression for close to half a century that Black's third was essentially unplayable. When did that change?
"Essentially unplayable" was always overdoing it, and maybe influenced by the well known beginner's trap where Black loses his Q on move 5. It has been played as a "surprise weapon" by a few players down the years.

It isn't employed more because it *is* at the end of the day inferior to the usual 3...d6, but the difference maybe isn't a massive one.
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Re: 2022 US Chess Championship

Post by Geoff Chandler » Fri Oct 14, 2022 11:01 pm

I met this in an OTB game skittles at the club few weeks back. I knew it was playable but got nothing from the opening. And during the game I kept thinking back to here...



..and wondered. If that was OK with White to move how about burning a tempo and play as though you were Black. But I could not think of a good waiting move. I figured 5.b3 was a blunder and had a wee chuckle at the board then 5.Kd1 with quick Re1 tricks in mind. but that is silly and I got on with the game and until now forgot all about it. 4.Nxf7 instead of 4.Qe2 would be OK if Black played 4...Kxf7 but 4...Qe7 and White is losing.

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Re: 2022 US Chess Championship

Post by NickFaulks » Fri Oct 14, 2022 11:59 pm

Matt Mackenzie wrote:
Fri Oct 14, 2022 10:25 pm
It isn't employed more because it *is* at the end of the day inferior to the usual 3...d6
But the way your modern player sees things, if it's inferior but you can draw it, then it isn't really inferior.
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Re: 2022 US Chess Championship

Post by Mick Norris » Sat Oct 15, 2022 8:18 am

JustinHorton wrote:
Fri Oct 14, 2022 8:46 pm
I've been under the impression for close to half a century that Black's third was essentially unplayable. When did that change?
FWIW, Forintos/Haag 1991 gives 3 .. Nxe4 (?) which is interesting notation

4 Qe2 Qe7
5 Qxe4 d6
6 d4 de
7 de (the capture Qxe5 only helps develop Black's counterplay after the exchange of an active queen for an inferior one. Moreover, the advanced e5 pawn will be weaker) Nc6
Now White faces a choice between 8 Bb5 and
8 Nc3 This line avoids many of the complications and leaves White a slight positional advantage

Obviously, lots of progress in the Petroff since that book came out

I've never tried it myself
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Re: 2022 US Chess Championship

Post by JustinHorton » Sat Oct 15, 2022 1:39 pm

Chess24 report. I missed Lee's missed win against Krush (packed it in last night) which would really have stirred things up, but the women's championship is really very open anyway.
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Re: 2022 US Chess Championship

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Sat Oct 15, 2022 10:29 pm

Fairly obvious who is coming last in the men's event isn't it. Always a bit sad when somebody really gets singled out like this.
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Re: 2022 US Chess Championship

Post by Geoff Chandler » Sun Oct 16, 2022 12:05 pm

Hi Matt,

Somebody always has to come last in any tournament and that is a pretty unforgiving field. At least he has notched up a win but his 10 move loss would have done the rounds. Hacks world wide would have used it for copy, even I stooped to use it as a space filler.

I've been trying to protect my readers from the nasty goings on in the real chess world so I have refrained from speculating and pointing fingers of shiftless blame on my bloggy thing and came up with the idea of using the three wise monkeys but with pawns.

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And by pure chance I came across this;
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Three players all doing the same.

If you said to Hans before the tournament started, 'After 10 round you will be on the same points as Wes So and ½ a point ahead of Lev Aronian." I think he would have been quite pleased."

https://www.chess.com/events/2022-us-ch ... ip/results