44th Olympiad, Chennai 28 July to 10 August 2022
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Re: 44th Olympiad, Chennai 28 July to 10 August 2022
"The theory may have been that it added to local status to have a titled player. "
Yes, I noticed years ago that a lowish-rated player from a smaller nation was a GM, and was told that he was awarded the title to encourage chess on his continent. (That wasn't from an Olympiad though.)
You could previously get CM by scoring 50 % or FM by scoring 66 % in an Olympiad, so some smaller nations did fiddle the board order to put their best player on board 4 to help them get the title. Having said that, FIDE did give CM titles for winning under-10 junior events etc. I think Luke McShane got CM when he was about 120 BCF - obviously he did meet the real requirements later! But I assume that some recipients stopped playing before they did deserve the title on rating.
Yes, I noticed years ago that a lowish-rated player from a smaller nation was a GM, and was told that he was awarded the title to encourage chess on his continent. (That wasn't from an Olympiad though.)
You could previously get CM by scoring 50 % or FM by scoring 66 % in an Olympiad, so some smaller nations did fiddle the board order to put their best player on board 4 to help them get the title. Having said that, FIDE did give CM titles for winning under-10 junior events etc. I think Luke McShane got CM when he was about 120 BCF - obviously he did meet the real requirements later! But I assume that some recipients stopped playing before they did deserve the title on rating.
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Re: 44th Olympiad, Chennai 28 July to 10 August 2022
Thanks Jack; it appears that a rating lead of over 100 points might not have been enough then, as David finished on 2898 clear of the 2 Indian players on 2767IM Jack Rudd wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:35 amA loss would have dropped Howell from Field + 444 to Field + 273, which is a big drop - I'd have to check whether other results could have caused him to be overtaken.
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Rk. Name Rtg Team Rp Games
1 GM Howell, David W L 2650 England 2898 8
2 GM Erigaisi, Arjun 2689 India 2767 11
3 GM Praggnanandhaa, R. 2648 India 2 2767 9
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Re: 44th Olympiad, Chennai 28 July to 10 August 2022
I think that may have been the late Rosendo Balinas, which means we are going back to the 1970s here.Kevin Thurlow wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:08 pm"The theory may have been that it added to local status to have a titled player. "
Yes, I noticed years ago that a lowish-rated player from a smaller nation was a GM, and was told that he was awarded the title to encourage chess on his continent. (That wasn't from an Olympiad though.)
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Oh yes, Campomanes was absolutely clear that it would be good for chess if every federation had a GM. Maybe he implied "but only if they are good enough", maybe he didn't.Matt Mackenzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 1:58 pmI think that may have been the late Rosendo Balinas, which means we are going back to the 1970s here.
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Re: 44th Olympiad, Chennai 28 July to 10 August 2022
If some random federation wants an IM, I'm more than happy to defect.
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I'm ashamed to say I'd never heard of him before but judging by his Wiki page Rosendo Balinas Jr. was certainly GM standard.
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Re: 44th Olympiad, Chennai 28 July to 10 August 2022
How would you handle daily character assassination on Twitter from GM Short? Perhaps with equanimity!IM Jack Rudd wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 2:52 pmIf some random federation wants an IM, I'm more than happy to defect.
The Bermuda Chess Association has a strict rule about this. You must have lived their for a year ( this is actually very hard for an expat to achieve). The USVI federation is less stringent, their regulations say that anyone who has made a great contribution to USVI chess, for instance by unpaid coaching for a year, is eligible.
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Re: 44th Olympiad, Chennai 28 July to 10 August 2022
I've just been reading about Rosendo Balinas, in 1976 he was the first foreigner to win a
tournament inside Russia since Capablanca in 1936. That must worth a few GM norms.
Odessa (1976) https://www.chessgames.co ... ?tid=42695
His page says after that event it '...secured Balinas the grandmaster title.'
tournament inside Russia since Capablanca in 1936. That must worth a few GM norms.
Odessa (1976) https://www.chessgames.co ... ?tid=42695
His page says after that event it '...secured Balinas the grandmaster title.'
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I'm too lazy to look this up. When was Tony's final norm? Tula?Geoff Chandler wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 3:32 pmI've just been reading about Rosendo Balinas, in 1976 he was the first foreigner to win a tournament inside Russia since Capablanca in 1936.
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Re: 44th Olympiad, Chennai 28 July to 10 August 2022
Balinas was a worthy player, but the fact remains his actual *rating* was never that high. Still, he had more of a claim (both in terms of playing strength and his actual GM norms) than Suradiradja who got the title a few years later......
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It was Dubna 1976 but Tony didn't win the tournament, he was 3rd=.NickFaulks wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 3:42 pmI'm too lazy to look this up. When was Tony's final norm? Tula?Geoff Chandler wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 3:32 pmI've just been reading about Rosendo Balinas, in 1976 he was the first foreigner to win a tournament inside Russia since Capablanca in 1936.
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Re: 44th Olympiad, Chennai 28 July to 10 August 2022
Thanks. Dubna, Tula, who cares? ( other than a serious historian ). I had been thinking that he won it, though. I'm sure he could have done if he wanted to.John Saunders wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 4:00 pmIt was Dubna 1976 but Tony didn't win the tournament, he was 3rd=.
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In fairness, he was within 20 points of the world top hundred in the late 70s. Not on Torre's level, but respectable enough for me.Matt Mackenzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 3:58 pmBalinas was a worthy player, but the fact remains his actual *rating* was never that high. Still, he had more of a claim (both in terms of playing strength and his actual GM norms) than Suradiradja who got the title a few years later......
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Nick
I hope you enjoyed India and the chess. Just out of interest how did you obtain your CM title?
I hope you enjoyed India and the chess. Just out of interest how did you obtain your CM title?
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Re: 44th Olympiad, Chennai 28 July to 10 August 2022
Numerous 50% scores in Olympiads, hard to avoid when leading a weak team.J T Melsom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 6:13 pmNick I hope you enjoyed India and the chess. Just out of interest how did you obtain your CM title?
It was the most wonderful Olympiad. It is not easy to play well while having such a great holiday, that's my excuse anyway.
I could not believe that I was voluntarily coming back here. Olivia set off after Round 11 to travel around India, she got it so right.
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