The result is given as 0-0 on ChessResults. Presumably the arbiters believed that the repetition of position was premeditated. It is not hard to see how they might have reached that conclusion.JustinHorton wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 6:47 pmSorry Lawrence, I linked to the wrong thing (fiddling on a phone). I will amend (EDIT) and have done so.
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Sorry to be pedantic. Repetition of permission?
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This seems a bit elitist to me. We established we were ok with people in the Olympiad being weak chess players already, surely we should extend the same rule to prearranged draws? Do they really have to learn some Berlin theory?
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Uzbekistan is seed 14 , currently the third team in Open section and year of birth from board 1 to 5 is 2004, 2002, 2005, 1995, 2002 . 4 of them are still juniors.
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No verification but I'm hearing it was a double default because of unsportsmanlike conduct:David Sedgwick wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 7:57 pmThe result is given as 0-0 on ChessResults. Presumably the arbiters believed that the repetition of permission was premeditated. It is not hard to see how they might have reached that conclusion.JustinHorton wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 6:47 pmSorry Lawrence, I linked to the wrong thing (fiddling on a phone). I will amend (EDIT) and have done so.
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I'm not sure there is a forced draw in the Berlin. Elsewhere in the Spanish, there's the Zaitsev repetition as well as that complicated line the Ukrainian sisters keep on playing. These lines do at least have the merit that avoiding the repetition can lead one of the players into a worse position. That's not the case with playing Nf3-g1-f3 etc.
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Depends how tightly you define "forced draw"Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:36 pmI'm not sure there is a forced draw in the Berlin.
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Almost forced threefold repetition rather than a deadly dull position.JustinHorton wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:42 pmDepends how tightly you define "forced draw"
Arguably the sequence 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. d3 d6 5. Nc3 Nf6 and similar is as dull as dishwater, but the GMs have found ideas in recent years to play for an advantage.
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Oh dear. I suppose you do have to be consistent, as it would be difficult to know where to draw the line here with people drawing like that. It does seem to favour those 'in the know' about how to agree a draw 'properly'.
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Thank you. I have made the requisite correction.
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Nowadays prearranged draws are considered to be cheating and arbiters are trained to treat them accordingly.Paul Cooksey wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 8:45 pmThis seems a bit elitist to me. We established we were ok with people in the Olympiad being weak chess players already, surely we should extend the same rule to prearranged draws? Do they really have to learn some Berlin theory?
The two players involved were not weak, at least not in the context of the earlier discussion. Both of them were rated over 2000.
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How many times have we had THAT Berlin draw in this event btw?
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I take your point about them not being weak, but even strong players are not always aware of the rules. Is there no room for a warning mechanism? And how do you know it was prearranged? Maybe one of them felt ill and suggested a draw at the start of play?David Sedgwick wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:28 pmNowadays prearranged draws are considered to be cheating and arbiters are trained to treat them accordingly.Paul Cooksey wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 8:45 pmThis seems a bit elitist to me. We established we were ok with people in the Olympiad being weak chess players already, surely we should extend the same rule to prearranged draws? Do they really have to learn some Berlin theory?
The two players involved were not weak, at least not in the context of the earlier discussion. Both of them were rated over 2000.
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If we're talking about the same line then Black csn deviate earlier, albeit at his or her considerable risk (I've had the opportunity to do so more than once on lichess but have declined, perhaps unwisely as it might be worth the practice).Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:51 pmAlmost forced threefold repetition rather than a deadly dull position.JustinHorton wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:42 pmDepends how tightly you define "forced draw"
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Becomes less likely with him being rested today.
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