Madrid Candidates 16th June to Tue 5th Jul 2022

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Post by Jonathan Bryant » Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:48 pm

JustinHorton wrote:
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JustinHorton wrote:
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Nepo has three Whites in his next four games, the exception being Firouzja in round eleven. I am guessing that if he can get them (and if he does not lose in round eleven) he will be happy with draws in all of those games.
That's the first ticked off
And the second


NAKAMURA tweeting about Anand-Carlsen 2013.
"I am not feeling inspired by the start of the WC match in India. One thing [Kasparov] always understood is that chess needs to be a show"

Total cobblers about Kasparov, obvs, but still a bit rich coming from the Immediate Berlin Draw specialist

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Post by Jonathan Bryant » Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:50 pm

Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:20 pm
Can anyone explain Caruana's collapse in the second half?
It immediately follows Rapport - Nepo. I strongly suspect that is not a coincidence.

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Post by Matt Mackenzie » Fri Jul 01, 2022 3:05 pm

Genuinely, if Nepo's opponent there had been a fellow Russian many would be screaming about "collusion" from the rooftops.

It really was that bad.

(has RR actually been asked if he is embarrassed by it?)
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Post by Ian Thompson » Fri Jul 01, 2022 3:26 pm

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However, if a quick draw is wanted, one of the players has drawn within 15 moves at least 60 times by playing

... make that 61 times.

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Post by Matt Mackenzie » Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:03 pm

Ding struggling out of the opening, another example of trying to force things too soon rebounding?

(it is something that only Nepo seems to have really got right in this event)
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Post by JustinHorton » Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:08 pm

To be fair, if you're the frontrunner you don't need to
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Post by LawrenceCooper » Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:22 pm

JustinHorton wrote:
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Strictly speaking everybody down to Radjabov still has a chance to overhaul Nepo.
The prospect of Radjabov being half a point off second with two rounds to go is looking a real possibility :shock:

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Post by JustinHorton » Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:34 pm

Also I see Ding v Naka is a last-round pairing
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Re: Madrid Candidates 16th June to Tue 5th Jul 2022

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:48 pm

Heh, maybe we can see why Carlsen wanted to play Firouzja so much now ;)
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Post by Jonathan Bryant » Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:30 pm

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By the way, am I right in thinking this is the first time in modern Candidates history that a player has reached +5?
I was wondering about the proportion of Black wins in Madrid compared to previous tournaments. It feels kind of high - but I've not looked at the numbers so it's entirely possible I'm completely wrong about that.

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Post by Matt Mackenzie » Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:40 pm

Re3! was a very nice shot from Radjabov but (not for the first time) a player of Ding's strength should really have seen it.
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Post by Jonathan Rogers » Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:38 pm

Matt Mackenzie wrote:
Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:40 pm
Re3! was a very nice shot from Radjabov but (not for the first time) a player of Ding's strength should really have seen it.
Perhaps he had seen it but had nothing better than to allow it.

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Post by Jonathan Rogers » Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:42 pm

Jonathan Bryant wrote:
Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:30 pm
JustinHorton wrote:
Thu Jun 30, 2022 9:36 pm
By the way, am I right in thinking this is the first time in modern Candidates history that a player has reached +5?
I was wondering about the proportion of Black wins in Madrid compared to previous tournaments. It feels kind of high - but I've not looked at the numbers so it's entirely possible I'm completely wrong about that.
It might be, because Nepo has won three of his five games with Black, and four of Ding's five decisive games have ended in Black wins! (Ok, some overlap there). That said it is hard to think of Black wins in any games not involving those two. Naka's decisive games are 5-0 for White.
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Post by Jonathan Rogers » Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:46 pm

JustinHorton wrote:
Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:34 pm
Also I see Ding v Naka is a last-round pairing
If they make the same result in round 13, and are at least as clearly ahead of Radja as they are now, there will be tiebreak talk ahead of the game, since in the event of a draw, the player with the better tiebreak might - might - play a match with Nepo.

Can someone tell me what the rules are (because I am lazy, but others must be curious too)? They have three wins and two losses each so it is not immediately obvious. Unless it is the number of Black wins!

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Re: Madrid Candidates 16th June to Tue 5th Jul 2022

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:58 pm

Jonathan Rogers wrote:
Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:38 pm
Matt Mackenzie wrote:
Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:40 pm
Re3! was a very nice shot from Radjabov but (not for the first time) a player of Ding's strength should really have seen it.
Perhaps he had seen it but had nothing better than to allow it.
Well that's not what the computer says (for whatever that is worth)

Aside from his horror show today, Duda blew a won game against Firouzja and Rapport totally misplayed an originally level ending before Caruana returned the favour. Hmmm, maybe Kramnik was right :)
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