Presidential Election 2022

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Re: Presidential Election 2022

Post by David Sedgwick » Mon Aug 08, 2022 12:40 am

Paul Cooksey wrote:
Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:28 pm
Is it a secret ballot, or will we see detailed results?
It is a secret ballot.

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Re: Presidential Election 2022

Post by David Sedgwick » Mon Aug 08, 2022 12:47 am

Angus French wrote:
Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:14 pm
It's telling, isn't it, that a ticket fronted by two Europeans polled only 16 votes when there are, I make it, 56 European member federations (or 54 if Russia and Belarus are discounted)?
It doesn't affect the thrust of your post. but I made it 55 (or 53 without Russia and Belarus).

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Re: Presidential Election 2022

Post by Angus French » Mon Aug 08, 2022 6:41 am

David Sedgwick wrote:
Mon Aug 08, 2022 12:47 am
Angus French wrote:
Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:14 pm
It's telling, isn't it, that a ticket fronted by two Europeans polled only 16 votes when there are, I make it, 56 European member federations (or 54 if Russia and Belarus are discounted)?
It doesn't affect the thrust of your post. but I made it 55 (or 53 without Russia and Belarus).
I took the Europe list from https://fide.com/directory/member-federations and pasted it into a spreadsheet to count.

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Re: Presidential Election 2022

Post by NickFaulks » Mon Aug 08, 2022 6:54 am

I think the story of this election will be that, even after the Russian invasion of Ukraine made Dvorkovich look beatable, no even remotely serious challengers came along to have a go. I confess that I still find this quite remarkable.

Kouatly and Wilkinson are certainly big enough names, but they did no campaigning and any ideas that they were taking it seriously were dispelled yesterday.
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Re: Presidential Election 2022

Post by NickFaulks » Mon Aug 08, 2022 7:06 am

JustinHorton wrote:
Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:28 pm
There's 157 federations chose not to abstain, is it not possible to ask non-rhetorically why they did not do so?
Doesn't an abstention imply that you are indifferent between the candidates?

I suppose it might have been seen as a coded message "We absolutely want AD to win but we oppose the invasion of Ukraine". Nearly everyone took the more straightforward course of simply voting for the candidate they wanted to win.
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Re: Presidential Election 2022

Post by Paul Cooksey » Mon Aug 08, 2022 7:49 am

David Sedgwick wrote:
Mon Aug 08, 2022 12:40 am
Paul Cooksey wrote:
Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:28 pm
Is it a secret ballot, or will we see detailed results?
It is a secret ballot.
Thanks, I thought so but was not sure.

Seven countries nominated Baryshpolets; New Zealand, Lithuania, South Sudan, England, Curacao, Norway, Netherlands and four more declared support Germany, Poland, Austria and Ukraine.

If they all voted for him, and pulling five names out of a hat, Latvia, Estonia, Finland, Denmark, Sweden, also did, then that would mean no one else including most of Western Europe. That is really remarkable.

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Re: Presidential Election 2022

Post by NickFaulks » Mon Aug 08, 2022 8:11 am

Paul Cooksey wrote:
Mon Aug 08, 2022 7:49 am
If they all voted for him
I seriously doubt that.
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Re: Presidential Election 2022

Post by NickFaulks » Mon Aug 08, 2022 8:32 am

Re GM Short's efforts to get Scotland et al booted out, AD has just stated that he is firmly opposed. Given yesterday's massive mandate, I'd say that is that.
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Re: Presidential Election 2022

Post by David Sedgwick » Mon Aug 08, 2022 10:16 am

NickFaulks wrote:
Mon Aug 08, 2022 8:32 am
Re GM Short's efforts to get Scotland et al booted out, AD has just stated that he is firmly opposed. Given yesterday's massive mandate, I'd say that is that.
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Re: Presidential Election 2022

Post by David Sedgwick » Mon Aug 08, 2022 10:27 am

Angus French wrote:
Mon Aug 08, 2022 6:41 am
David Sedgwick wrote:
Mon Aug 08, 2022 12:47 am
It doesn't affect the thrust of your post. but I made it 55 (or 53 without Russia and Belarus).
I took the Europe list from https://fide.com/directory/member-federations and pasted it into a spreadsheet to count.
In that case, you will indeed have one too many. You will have included the Isle of Man, which is an Affiliated Organisation, not a Member Federation.

I used the list at https://handbook.fide.com/chapter/D0102, which I think is definitive.

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Re: Presidential Election 2022

Post by jholyhead » Mon Aug 08, 2022 10:32 am

NickFaulks wrote:
Mon Aug 08, 2022 8:32 am
Re GM Short's efforts to get Scotland et al booted out, AD has just stated that he is firmly opposed. Given yesterday's massive mandate, I'd say that is that.
Does anyone have any background on this motion? What was the reasoning, and why were Papua New Guinea involved?

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Re: Presidential Election 2022

Post by David Sedgwick » Mon Aug 08, 2022 10:34 am

NickFaulks wrote:
Mon Aug 08, 2022 6:54 am
I think the story of this election will be that, even after the Russian invasion of Ukraine made Dvorkovich look beatable, no even remotely serious challengers came along to have a go. I confess that I still find this quite remarkable.

Kouatly and Wilkinson are certainly big enough names, but they did no campaigning and any ideas that they were taking it seriously were dispelled yesterday.
Enyonam Fumey would have provided serious opposition, had he made it to the starting line. Unfortunately, whoever was responsible in his team failed to secure a nomination from a European Federation.

Perhaps that demonstrates your point.

I don't think Fumey would have won. However, my prediction of a two to one majority for Dvorkovich might have been more accurate than it proved to be with Baryshpolets.

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Re: Presidential Election 2022

Post by David Sedgwick » Mon Aug 08, 2022 10:40 am

jholyhead wrote:
Mon Aug 08, 2022 10:32 am
NickFaulks wrote:
Mon Aug 08, 2022 8:32 am
Re GM Short's efforts to get Scotland et al booted out, AD has just stated that he is firmly opposed. Given yesterday's massive mandate, I'd say that is that.
Does anyone have any background on this motion? What was the reasoning, and why were Papua New Guinea involved?
New members of FIDE have to be members of the UN or of the IOC. The motion was an attempt to make that retrospective, with catastrophic consequences for the British Isles Federations and some others.

That PNG took the lead on this was substantially due to personality clashes.

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Re: Presidential Election 2022

Post by jholyhead » Mon Aug 08, 2022 10:54 am

David Sedgwick wrote:
Mon Aug 08, 2022 10:40 am
jholyhead wrote:
Mon Aug 08, 2022 10:32 am
NickFaulks wrote:
Mon Aug 08, 2022 8:32 am
Re GM Short's efforts to get Scotland et al booted out, AD has just stated that he is firmly opposed. Given yesterday's massive mandate, I'd say that is that.
Does anyone have any background on this motion? What was the reasoning, and why were Papua New Guinea involved?
New members of FIDE have to be members of the UN or of the IOC. The motion was an attempt to make that retrospective, with catastrophic consequences for the British Isles Federations and some others.

That PNG took the lead on this was substantially due to personality clashes.
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Re: Presidential Election 2022

Post by Roger de Coverly » Mon Aug 08, 2022 10:56 am

NickFaulks wrote:
Mon Aug 08, 2022 8:32 am
Re GM Short's efforts to get Scotland et al booted out

Nigel was sent on missions to sign up more members for FIDE. These were often overseas territories of somewhere else, some being British overseas territories,