Carlsen v Nepomniatchi 2021 World Championship

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Re: Carlsen v Nepomniatchi 2021 World Championship

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:48 pm

Nick Ivell wrote:
Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:45 pm
We have a fair idea. But it may be someone who is as yet unknown.
They will have to get a move on to beat AF to it.
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Re: Carlsen v Nepomniatchi 2021 World Championship

Post by MJMcCready » Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:50 pm

He will be the next champion and probably in the next match, if not then the match after that I would say.

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Re: Carlsen v Nepomniatchi 2021 World Championship

Post by Nick Ivell » Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:54 pm

I'm just catering for the possibility that AF may not quite have what it takes. He probably will.

One thing is certain. It won't be the David Howell generation that topples Magnus. It will be a younger, and hungrier, generation.

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Re: Carlsen v Nepomniatchi 2021 World Championship

Post by MJMcCready » Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:55 pm

Yes, they are less afraid of him because they haven't got to live with a lifetime of being beaten by him.

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Re: Carlsen v Nepomniatchi 2021 World Championship

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:56 pm

MJMcCready wrote:
Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:50 pm
He will be the next champion and probably in the next match, if not then the match after that I would say.
That is what I am inclined to think right now, he will get some "free chess lessons" like Gazza did from Tolya first.

If so that means Magnus gets dethroned in 2024 after 11 years.
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Re: Carlsen v Nepomniatchi 2021 World Championship

Post by Nick Ivell » Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:58 pm

They are just not good enough. Not David Howell, not Fabi, not Naka, not any of them.

But AF might be.

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Re: Carlsen v Nepomniatchi 2021 World Championship

Post by MartinCarpenter » Sun Dec 05, 2021 7:01 pm

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Not implying that I'm better than Nepo at avoiding blunders, but surely all Black needs to know to avoid playing 21...b5 is that 22.Qa3+ is legal? Check the forcing moves. Maybe Nepo assumed ...Qd6 saved the pawn, but would any of us just stop calculating in a position where mutual queen captures are possible?
To do that you have to be thinking properly, and still concentrating. Nepo clearly wasn't, obviously a lot of that down to the previous loss, but also just accumulated stress. He's known for it of course.

Once you're a bit off, and get into a dull feeling position like he did in this game then it can be alarmingly easy to make a basic blunder like this. And once done these positions never give you chances to get back.

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Re: Carlsen v Nepomniatchi 2021 World Championship

Post by IM Jack Rudd » Sun Dec 05, 2021 7:02 pm

Well, the concept of certainty is certainly having a lot of pressure put on it tonight.

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Re: Carlsen v Nepomniatchi 2021 World Championship

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Sun Dec 05, 2021 7:07 pm

I don't think Nepo needs to apologize - he's more affected by a bad day than ayone else...

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Re: Carlsen v Nepomniatchi 2021 World Championship

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Sun Dec 05, 2021 7:09 pm

IM Jack Rudd wrote:
Sun Dec 05, 2021 7:02 pm
Well, the concept of certainty is certainly having a lot of pressure put on it tonight.
Well, my post that started this exchange acknowledged a miracle was still possible - pretty close to thinking Nepo *has* to win next time tho.
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Re: Carlsen v Nepomniatchi 2021 World Championship

Post by Richard Bates » Sun Dec 05, 2021 7:14 pm

MJMcCready wrote:
Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:50 pm
He will be the next champion and probably in the next match, if not then the match after that I would say.
He's got to get there first, before we can even need consider whether having got there he will beat Carlsen. And getting through the candidates is no cakewalk (remember even Carlsen almost blew it back in 2013).

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Re: Carlsen v Nepomniatchi 2021 World Championship

Post by Richard Bates » Sun Dec 05, 2021 7:15 pm

MJMcCready wrote:
Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:55 pm
Yes, they are less afraid of him because they haven't got to live with a lifetime of being beaten by him.
To be fair Nepo is at least one person who definitely didn't have a "lifetime of being beaten by him" (on an individual basis).

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Re: Carlsen v Nepomniatchi 2021 World Championship

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Sun Dec 05, 2021 7:16 pm

Almost, but not quite.

And tbh AF looks like the "anointed one" in a way that both Kasparov and Carlsen did before him.

But of course, he has to be in it to win it!
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Re: Carlsen v Nepomniatchi 2021 World Championship

Post by MJMcCready » Sun Dec 05, 2021 7:22 pm

Yes you have a point there -but I think he's the only one right?

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Re: Carlsen v Nepomniatchi 2021 World Championship

Post by Jonathan Rogers » Sun Dec 05, 2021 8:26 pm

If we know Carlsen's successor already, then it is most likely AF. But perhaps we don't.