European Team Chess Championship 2021

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Re: European Team Chess Championship 2021

Post by Roger de Coverly » Fri Nov 12, 2021 11:00 am

Mick Norris wrote:
Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:49 am
Special Competition Rules
I noticed in the Rules
Players may only agree to a draw after 30 moves have been made by black. Players violating this rule will be forfeited.
Does this overrule the Laws of Chess which permit players to claim draws after a position repeats three times and require an arbiter to award a draw when the position repeats five times? Perhaps "agree" is the key word, excluding where the draw is a claim.

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Re: European Team Chess Championship 2021

Post by LawrenceCooper » Fri Nov 12, 2021 12:27 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Fri Nov 12, 2021 11:00 am
Mick Norris wrote:
Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:49 am
Special Competition Rules
I noticed in the Rules
Players may only agree to a draw after 30 moves have been made by black. Players violating this rule will be forfeited.
Does this overrule the Laws of Chess which permit players to claim draws after a position repeats three times and require an arbiter to award a draw when the position repeats five times? Perhaps "agree" is the key word, excluding where the draw is a claim.
I suspect that your second sentence is correct.

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Re: European Team Chess Championship 2021

Post by IM Jack Rudd » Fri Nov 12, 2021 12:34 pm

"Agree" is the key word, yes. A stalemate before move 30 might otherwise be problematic.

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Re: European Team Chess Championship 2021

Post by Tim Harding » Fri Nov 12, 2021 2:16 pm

Games are live now since 2pm GMT (except that there seems a technical problem with board 3 in the last match, Slovenia v Ireland, which I hope will be fixed).
Good luck to Ravi and all the other English, Irish and Scots players. (And the Welsh when they get a game tomorrow!)

PS: That board is fixed now. The women's games are all live too. Well done the Slovenian organisers!
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Re: European Team Chess Championship 2021

Post by Richard Bates » Fri Nov 12, 2021 2:32 pm

How many points does each team get for a nil-nil draw?

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Re: European Team Chess Championship 2021

Post by David Sedgwick » Fri Nov 12, 2021 4:23 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:28 am
LawrenceCooper wrote:
Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:06 am

5.3 IM Hauge, Lars Oskar 2490 - GM Howell, David W L 2648
5.4 GM Notkevich, Benjamin Arvola 2471 - IM Haria, Ravi 2497
Earlier publicity suggested that David Howell would be on top board. Evidently they've gone for a more usual line up. Ravi presumably needs a win for the GM title, although a draw wouldn't adversely change his rating.
Just to amplify this:

England Open have changed their board order from that previously announced.

Scotland and Wales have changed their team compositions from those previously announced, with the former now fielding young star Freddy Gordon.

England Women and Ireland are unchanged.


ENGLAND
Bo. Name Rtg FED FideID
1 GM Adams Michael 2714 ENG 400041
2 GM Mcshane Luke J 2667 ENG 404853
3 GM Jones Gawain C B 2654 ENG 409561
4 GM Howell David W L 2648 ENG 410608
5 IM Haria Ravi 2497 ENG 415820

ENGLAND WOMEN
Bo. Name Rtg FED FideID
1 WGM Toma Katarzyna 2261 ENG 1119907
2 WFM Head Louise 2069 ENG 424773
3 WFM Emelianova Maria 2113 ENG 4196961
4 WFM Bayat Shohreh 2091 ENG 12501018
5 WCM Varney Zoe 1955 ENG 436135

SCOTLAND
Bo. Name Rtg FED FideID
1 FM Tate Alan 2342 SCO 2401878
2 CM Bremner Adam 2204 SCO 2400847
3 IM Muir Andrew J 2254 SCO 2400138
4 FM Morrison Graham 2251 SCO 2400090
5 Gordon Frederick 1739 SCO 2409143

IRELAND
Bo. Name Rtg FED FideID
1 FM Kanyamarala Tarun 2321 IRL 45004714
2 FM Jessel Stephen 2297 IRL 628859
3 Nemeth Zalan 2163 IRL 2512041
4 WIM Kanyamarala Trisha 2089 IRL 45004722

WALES
Bo. Name Rtg FED FideID
1 FM Toczek Grzegorz 2296 WLS 1106457
2 Pleasants Allan J 2001 WLS 411337
3 Garcia Jason 2028 WLS 1801775
4 Davis Lee 1972 WLS 1801325
5 Weatherlake John P 1890 WLS 1805304

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Re: European Team Chess Championship 2021

Post by David Sedgwick » Fri Nov 12, 2021 4:38 pm

Play takes place each day from today until Sunday 21st November, except for Wednesday 17th November which is a rest day.

The time limit is 40/90 + G/30 + 30s increment throughout.

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Re: European Team Chess Championship 2021

Post by NickFaulks » Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:32 pm

Not the greatest start, but many days to go.
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Re: European Team Chess Championship 2021

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Sat Nov 13, 2021 12:18 am

Ah, thought it had been quiet.
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Re: European Team Chess Championship 2021

Post by Mick Norris » Sat Nov 13, 2021 9:50 am

Bo. 25 Georgia - 5 England
11.1 GM Jobava, Baadur 2582 - GM Adams, Michael 2714
11.2 GM Sanikidze, Tornike 2458 - GM Mcshane, Luke J 2667
11.3 GM Paichadze, Luka 2551 - GM Jones, Gawain C B 2654
11.4 GM Quparadze, Giga 2475 - GM Howell, David W L 2648

Bo. 24 England - 17 Slovakia
13.1 WGM Toma, Katarzyna 2261 - IM Hagarova, Zuzana 2292
13.2 WFM Head, Louise 2069 - WFM Sucikova, Svetlana 2197
13.3 WFM Bayat, Shohreh 2091 - WIM Mrvova, Alena 2174
13.4 WCM Varney, Zoe 1955 - WFM Motycakova, Monika 2119
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Re: European Team Chess Championship 2021

Post by LawrenceCooper » Sat Nov 13, 2021 9:51 am

Bo. 24 England Rtg - 17 Slovakia Rtg 0 : 0
13.1 WGM Toma, Katarzyna 2261 - IM Hagarova, Zuzana 2292
13.2 WFM Head, Louise 2069 - WFM Sucikova, Svetlana 2197
13.3 WFM Bayat, Shohreh 2091 - WIM Mrvova, Alena 2174
13.4 WCM Varney, Zoe 1955 - WFM Motycakova, Monika 2119

Bo. 25 Georgia Rtg - 5 England Rtg 0 : 0
11.1 GM Jobava, Baadur 2582 - GM Adams, Michael 2714
11.2 GM Sanikidze, Tornike 2458 - GM Mcshane, Luke J 2667
11.3 GM Paichadze, Luka 2551 - GM Jones, Gawain C B 2654
11.4 GM Quparadze, Giga 2475 - GM Howell, David W L 2648

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Re: European Team Chess Championship 2021

Post by David Sedgwick » Sat Nov 13, 2021 10:41 am

NickFaulks wrote:
Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:32 pm
Not the greatest start, but many days to go.
Certainly a day to forget. As I am trying to do that, I shall not give any details.

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Re: European Team Chess Championship 2021

Post by Mick Norris » Sat Nov 13, 2021 10:44 am

Wales v Netherlands with Giri on top board
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Re: European Team Chess Championship 2021

Post by Tim Harding » Sat Nov 13, 2021 2:04 pm

Scotland giving young Freddie Gordon a run out.

Big clash of styles in Jobava v Adams. It's an Italian, 6 e5 line.

Ravi Haria gets a day off after missing the (far from obvious)
winning move 27 Bd3! which would have brought him the GM title yesterday.
He was lucky not to lose after missing that. I guess he will get another chance next time England have White on even boards.
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Re: European Team Chess Championship 2021

Post by Richard Bates » Sat Nov 13, 2021 3:40 pm

Tim Harding wrote:
Sat Nov 13, 2021 2:04 pm
Scotland giving young Freddie Gordon a run out.

Big clash of styles in Jobava v Adams. It's an Italian, 6 e5 line.

Ravi Haria gets a day off after missing the (far from obvious)
winning move 27 Bd3! which would have brought him the GM title yesterday.
He was lucky not to lose after missing that. I guess he will get another chance next time England have White on even boards.
Perhaps, although on past evidence (and barring illness) I'd be surprised if he plays more than a couple more games, if that.

Unfortunate, but that's just the reality of being the reserve player when there is such a rating disparity from the main four boards. And of course the first round result doesn't exactly do anything other than demonstrate that.