FIDE Grand Swiss 2021

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Re: FIDE Grand Swiss 2021

Post by JustinHorton » Sun Nov 07, 2021 7:22 pm

It appears David misssed out by one place and I wondered whether that would put him on a reserve list or anything.

Curious how it worked out for the Russians, overall: fifth seed Vitiugov, sixth seed Esipenko and eighth seed Dubov all failed to qualify, though Oparin made it from thirty-ninth and Predke from twenty-sixth.
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Re: FIDE Grand Swiss 2021

Post by Mick Norris » Sun Nov 07, 2021 8:20 pm

Based on this which may not be reliable he'd need an Organiser's nomination (though they may pick a German given it will be in Berlin) or to be nominated by the FIDE President

Another very good performance though (he was 11th in 2019), seeded 34th and finishing 9th, only losing to the 2 who qualified for the Candidates
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Re: FIDE Grand Swiss 2021

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Sun Nov 07, 2021 10:32 pm

Having been distracted by the adjournment thread (worth a look!), I was originally intending to post in this thread about the ages of the top finishers in this event, which I think shows both a bit of a breakthrough by two of the younger players, but also a couple of great results by older players. So going by the order on chess-results.com of the top three score groups, we have the following birth years:

1. Firouzja (2003)
2. Caruana (1992)
3. Oparin (1997)
4. Yu (1994)
5. Keymer (2004)
6. Vachier-Lagrave (1990)
7. Predke (1994)
8. Shirov (1972)
9. Howell (1990)
10. Sargissian (1983)
11. Antón Guijarro (1995)
12. Korobov (1985)
13. Sevian (2000)
14. Esipenko (2002)
15. Deac (2001)
16. Artemiev (1998)

Some immediate comments:

- Five players born in or after 2000, with at least three teenagers (U20).
- Keymer the youngest player in this top 16 (he seems to be breaking through a bit now), with the second-youngest winning the event.
- Korobov and Sargissian get honorable mentions, but Shirov is 49, an amazing result for a legend of the game.
- After these three, the next oldest players are Vachier-Lagrave and Howell!

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Re: FIDE Grand Swiss 2021

Post by Roger de Coverly » Sun Nov 07, 2021 10:48 pm

Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
Sun Nov 07, 2021 10:32 pm
but Shirov is 49, an amazing result for a legend of the game.
Wasn't Shirov a last minute wild card as well?

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Re: FIDE Grand Swiss 2021

Post by Chris Rice » Mon Nov 08, 2021 6:01 am

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Re: FIDE Grand Swiss 2021

Post by Paul Cooksey » Mon Nov 08, 2021 7:33 am

Also a good result for FIDE. Two players who will be serious contenders at the Candidates which is not guaranteed in this format.

A good result for Keymer but not a complete shock. Seems he has some rating lag due to the pandemic. I was also expecting to see one at least one of the Indian GMs in contention, they will probably be a bit disappointed that no one has immediately picked up Anand's baton.

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Re: FIDE Grand Swiss 2021

Post by Mick Norris » Mon Nov 08, 2021 9:06 am

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"It feels great," Firouzja started his interview after his tournament was over. "It was a very long tournament. When I came here, I thought my chances were very low because the players are very experienced here, and I didn't see myself as a big contender. OK, rating-wise I was a contender, but in general these tournaments are very tricky, and I'm happy that it ended very well."
With Lei securing her victory on Saturday, the biggest story of the day was Paehtz reaching her third GM norm. She had earlier norms from 2011 and 2016, which still need to be checked before it's certain that she will meet the requirements for the GM title. Chess.com has learned that there might be an issue with one of the norms, so perhaps the cheering for Paehtz was premature, but let's hope not.

If she does get the title, Paehtz will be only the 40th female player in history to achieve this (and all happen to be still alive). She had missed her chances for a norm in rounds nine and 10, but on Sunday she pulled it off with a win against IM Bibisara Assaubayeva.

"Of course, when I lost to Mariya [Muzychuk], I became a little bit insecure or shaky because OK, it was in a way a crucial game because a draw would have secured me the norm. But actually, my main aim here was not to score any norms but to qualify for the Grand Prix. This was basically the top priority," said Paehtz.

"A game like today means everything. If you win, you score the tournament of your life. If you lose, you want to basically die somewhere alone in your room. If it would be a draw, it would be more or less neutral, but I mean, sometimes to have a single game which actually changes from happiness into sadness in such a drastic way is actually quite nerve-taking."
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Re: FIDE Grand Swiss 2021

Post by JustinHorton » Mon Nov 08, 2021 9:28 am

So what's the issue with the issue
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Re: FIDE Grand Swiss 2021

Post by Mick Norris » Mon Nov 08, 2021 10:13 am

Don't know, the norms are shown on the relevant FIDE page from the 2011/12 Bundesliga and the 2016 Euro Individual Women, so you'd expect those to be ok
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Re: FIDE Grand Swiss 2021

Post by NickFaulks » Mon Nov 08, 2021 11:13 am

Mick Norris wrote:
Mon Nov 08, 2021 10:13 am
so you'd expect those to be ok
No, you wouldn't. They are sent in by federations but are not checked until a title application is made.

It used to be possible to see these norm certificates, which did mean that some faulty ones were caught, but that is no longer the case.
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Re: FIDE Grand Swiss 2021

Post by LawrenceCooper » Mon Nov 08, 2021 11:30 am

Richard Bates wrote:
Mon Nov 08, 2021 10:28 am
Only 2 GMs amongst opposition?

https://ratings.fide.com/individual_cal ... -07-01&t=0
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Re: FIDE Grand Swiss 2021

Post by Mick Norris » Mon Nov 08, 2021 11:55 am

NickFaulks wrote:
Mon Nov 08, 2021 11:13 am
Mick Norris wrote:
Mon Nov 08, 2021 10:13 am
so you'd expect those to be ok
No, you wouldn't. They are sent in by federations but are not checked until a title application is made.

It used to be possible to see these norm certificates, which did mean that some faulty ones were caught, but that is no longer the case.
Ok, maybe not, but I'd expect them to be ok :roll:

It is a bit depressing that FIDE has what looks like incorrect info on their website, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised about this any more
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Re: FIDE Grand Swiss 2021

Post by Roger de Coverly » Mon Nov 08, 2021 12:06 pm

Mick Norris wrote:
Mon Nov 08, 2021 11:55 am
It is a bit depressing that FIDE has what looks like incorrect info on their website, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised about this any more
Are there special rules for events like the European Championship? Did ECU submitted the GM norm claim rather than the German federation?

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Re: FIDE Grand Swiss 2021

Post by NickFaulks » Mon Nov 08, 2021 12:18 pm

Mick Norris wrote:
Mon Nov 08, 2021 11:55 am
It is a bit depressing that FIDE has what looks like incorrect info on their website, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised about this any more
What are you asking for? To check every norm when received would be an unreasonable task, it is far more work than you realise and there are so many of them. It might be better not to put them on the website at all, but we have always felt that transparency is a good thing.

It is of course unfortunate that the links to the title certificates have recently been disabled. If you are unhappy about that, you may be able to guess how the officials trying to administer the system feel.
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