World Rapid and Blitz Championships 2019
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Nothing wrong with the rule in my opinion. As long as there is an increment then you should never flag in a position like this - but if a player wants to take the risk of regularly moving with 1 second left as Firouzja was doing then they can't complain when accidents like this happen.
Though it's slightly unfortunate that he suffered for obeying the rules by picking up the pieces he knocked over. I'm sure some players would have just punched the clock instead and take whatever punishment is dished out (maybe just a warning?), which couldn't be any worse than flagging and losing.
Though it's slightly unfortunate that he suffered for obeying the rules by picking up the pieces he knocked over. I'm sure some players would have just punched the clock instead and take whatever punishment is dished out (maybe just a warning?), which couldn't be any worse than flagging and losing.
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For what? It would be interesting to know what the arbiter told Nakamura he should do if the same thing happened again. As far as I can see, the only legal action would have been to leave the piece knocked over, stop the clocks and call the arbiter.Alex Holowczak wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 6:26 amThere was one example in the Rapid of Nakamura ... knocking a Rook over with his hand when it was on its way back from pressing the clock and standing it up almost immediately. ... Nakamura was given a warning ...
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Despite the three pawn advantage, the final position is a draw according to a tablebase. So you can add the danger of playing for a win in a drawn position.Peter Shaw wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 9:58 am- but if a player wants to take the risk of regularly moving with 1 second left as Firouzja was doing then they can't complain when accidents like this happen.
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I watched the video again (I'm waiting for the guy in Bermuda Shorts to appear.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPysTEW0YZU
They give a clumsy looking Helpmate in 10 under promoting to a Knight (A LSB would also suffice.)
I have two variations in 6 moves without a promotion. Anybody do it in less?
White to play.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPysTEW0YZU
They give a clumsy looking Helpmate in 10 under promoting to a Knight (A LSB would also suffice.)
I have two variations in 6 moves without a promotion. Anybody do it in less?
White to play.
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I expect many of us agree with your general thinking, but the fact that you cannot come up with non-jokey wording says it all. Nobody else can, either.Nick Burrows wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:24 amHow about:
If one side does not have mating material, even if it is possible for his opponent to cocoon his king in knights so as to form a corridor for the opponents lone bishop to theoretically mate him - it is still a draw.
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Increments make the premise simpler. If your flag falls you lose, unless there is no legal sequence of moves in which a mate can be demonstrated.
That was the premise before quick-play finishes. When these were introduced British arbiters and controllers of the 1970s and 1980s modified the automatic loss with the various "unable to win" rules. These were later adopted by FIDE as 10.2 and its successors, when playing for ever with adjournments was discarded.
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Indeed - IIRC K+B and K+B *with bishops of the same colour squares* is deemed a draw as it is impossible to construct a legal mating position, but all other such single minor piece on each side configurations mean the player who flags loses.Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 7:49 amMatt Mackenzie wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:10 amThis has long been the case and tbh I am surprised that people are not aware of it.
There was an example in the recent past in the Women's World Championship where a win was awarded in King and Knight v King and Knight.
http://rules.chessdom.com/appeals-commi ... cko-foisor
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K + B cannot win v K+ R (or Q)
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Probably good man management looking at it now, it seems to stop white complaining. As the game is about to restart, the video captures white asking if Nakamura would lose if it would happen again, to which Takis answered no. It was quite clear to everyone what white was trying to do with his complaint.Ian Thompson wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 10:39 amFor what? It would be interesting to know what the arbiter told Nakamura he should do if the same thing happened again. As far as I can see, the only legal action would have been to leave the piece knocked over, stop the clocks and call the arbiter.Alex Holowczak wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 6:26 amThere was one example in the Rapid of Nakamura ... knocking a Rook over with his hand when it was on its way back from pressing the clock and standing it up almost immediately. ... Nakamura was given a warning ...
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Here's the video from the Nalchik scandal which starts about a minute in.Richard Bates wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 8:36 amThat was an Armageddon game though with no increment. The problems are when people with no chance of winning play on to win on the clock regardless (even if totally lost and opponent wants a draw). Not something that will happen with an increment in general. If somebody, with an increment, chooses to risk defeat on the clock by seeking victory on the board then I don’t see why the opponent then winning on time is bringing the game into disrepute. Any more than if the same thing happened when a player loses on time with an overwhelming material advantage. And you couldn’t write a law for that.Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 7:49 amMatt Mackenzie wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:10 amThis has long been the case and tbh I am surprised that people are not aware of it.
There was an example in the recent past in the Women's World Championship where a win was awarded in King and Knight v King and Knight.
http://rules.chessdom.com/appeals-commi ... cko-foisor
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It is wrong to call it a scandal. It was just two players demonstrating why playing without any increment will produce daft results - a lesson which FIDE has learned, even if St Louis hasn't.Chris Rice wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 7:51 pmHere's the video from the Nalchik scandal which starts about a minute in.
The Firouzja debacle may tell us that either two seconds isn't long enough or we need better rules for when pieces get knocked over.
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https://en.chessbase.com/post/fide-ratings-2020-1Matt Mackenzie wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:00 pmSo the decade ends with Carlsen topping all three rating lists, and with all three "titles".
Hard to add much to that really.
That Chessbase article (and various official lists) says that Hikaru Nakamura is still world number 1 in Blitz.
Carlsen is now 29. He is nearly 30. Where did the past ten years go?
(Carlsen first became world number 1 in the January 2010 list, but has only been world number one continuously since July 2011, so a year and a half to go until he can claim an unbroken decade as world number 1, and just under four years for a decade as world champion - still a way to go to match Kasparov's 22 years of dominance).
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I have finally caught up with the report in New in Chess (2020, 1) on this. The dress code is interesting.
Women - "Classic footwear. Trouser or skirt suit or dress, desirably of one colour but not essential".
Men - "Oxfords, moccasins, leather boots or shoes, classic luxury shoes. Dark-coloured trousers: black, dark-blue, beige, brown, in any case one colour. No bright colours. Long-sleeve shirts of light colour (white, light-blue, beige, brown etc.), blue or black, in any case of one colour. No bright colours. Dark jacket, waistcoat or cardigan with buttons: black, dark-blue, grey, beige, brown. In any case of one colour. No bright colours.
Apparently the former was relaxed when the heating broke down, and the latter was relaxed when some players wore sports shoes.
I can see they want the players to be reasonably attired, and when broadcast, they want to avoid shirts that might have big adverts or offensive messages. I also know that thin stripes can "strobe" and mess up TV images. But it did seem to be perhaps unnecessarily restrictive. At the same time, they didn't ban that abomination "blue suit with brown shoes."
Women - "Classic footwear. Trouser or skirt suit or dress, desirably of one colour but not essential".
Men - "Oxfords, moccasins, leather boots or shoes, classic luxury shoes. Dark-coloured trousers: black, dark-blue, beige, brown, in any case one colour. No bright colours. Long-sleeve shirts of light colour (white, light-blue, beige, brown etc.), blue or black, in any case of one colour. No bright colours. Dark jacket, waistcoat or cardigan with buttons: black, dark-blue, grey, beige, brown. In any case of one colour. No bright colours.
Apparently the former was relaxed when the heating broke down, and the latter was relaxed when some players wore sports shoes.
I can see they want the players to be reasonably attired, and when broadcast, they want to avoid shirts that might have big adverts or offensive messages. I also know that thin stripes can "strobe" and mess up TV images. But it did seem to be perhaps unnecessarily restrictive. At the same time, they didn't ban that abomination "blue suit with brown shoes."
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I learned more than fifty years ago that brown shoes don't make it. I was informed that I was the first Stock Exchange member ever to wear blue shoes on the Floor, but I would never have paired these with a brown suit.Kevin Thurlow wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 3:29 pmthey didn't ban that abomination "blue suit with brown shoes."
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