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Rhys Cumming
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Re: European Club Cup

Post by Rhys Cumming » Thu Oct 24, 2024 12:18 pm

Here are the full games. Unfortunately the regulations for norms mean 7 round norms are pretty meaningless even if you get them. You can get a 7 round norm, but your combined norms need to be 27 games total so you inevitably need a 4th.

[White "Ragger"]
[Black "Cumming"]

1. Nf3 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. cxd5 Nxd5 5. h4 Bg7 6. h5 Nc6 7. d4 Bg4 8. h6 Bf6 9. e3 O-O 10. Be2 Nb6 11. O-O Qc8 12. Bd2 Rd8 13. Rc1 e5 14. dxe5 Nxe5 15. Ne4 Bh8 16. Nxe5 Bxe2 17. Qxe2 Bxe5 18. f4 Bxb2 19. Rc2 Qf5 20. Rxb2 Qxe4 21. Rc1 Rd7 22. Rb3 Re8 23. Kf2 Nd5 24. Rc4 Qe7 25. Rd3 Nf6 26. Kg1 Red8 27. Rxd7 Rxd7 28. Bc3 Nd5 29. Qf3 Qh4 30. Rd4 c6 31. e4 Nb6 32. Rxd7 Nxd7 33. Qe3 Qe7 34. Kf1 f6 35. Qd4 Kf7 36. g4 Ke8 37. a4 Qc5 38. Qd3 b5 39. axb5 cxb5 40. Ke2 Qa3 41. Qc2 b4 42. Bd4 Qa6+ 43. Ke3 Kd8 44. Qd2 Qa3+ 45. Kf2 Ke7 46. g5 fxg5 47. f5 gxf5 48. exf5 g4 49. Be3 Qc3 50. Bg5+ Nf6 51. Qe2+ Kf8 52. Qe6 Qc2+ 53. Kg1 Qd1+ 54. Kf2 g3+ 55. Kxg3 Qg4+ 56. Kf2 Qxg5 57. Qd6+ Ke8 58. Qb8+ Kd7 59. Qxa7+ Kd6 60. Qb8+ Kd5 61. Qb5+ Ke4 62. Qxb4+ Kxf5 63. Qf8 Qf4+ 64. Kg2 Kg4 65. Qg7+ Qg5 66. Qf8 Kh5+ 67. Kf3 Qxh6 68. Qd6 Qg5 69. Qd3 Qd5+ *

[White "Hjartarson"]
[Black "Cumming"]

1. c4 e5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. Nf3 e4 4. Ng5 c6 5. Ngxe4 Nxe4 6. Nxe4 d5 7. cxd5 cxd5 8. Ng3 h5 9. e3 h4 10. Ne2 Nc6 11. d4 Qf6 12. Nc3 Qg6 13. Bd2 Bd6 14. Rc1 Bf5 15. h3 O-O 16. Qf3 Nb4 17. Be2 Nd3+ 18. Bxd3 Bxd3 19. Qg4 Qh7 20. Nxd5 f5 21. Qd1 f4 22. Qb3 Kh8 23. Bb4 fxe3 24. Nxe3 Rxf2 25. Kxf2 Bg3+ 26. Kg1 Qe4 27. Bd2 Qf4 28. Ng4 (28. Rh2 Qf2+ 29. Kh1 Qxd2 30. Rd1 Qxe3) 28... Qxd2 29. Qc3 Qf4 (29... Qe2) 30. Re1 Rf8 31. Qxd3 Bxe1 32. g3 Qc1 33. Qe2 Bf2+ 34. Kg2 Qc6+ *

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Christopher Kreuzer
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Re: European Club Cup

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Thu Oct 24, 2024 12:22 pm

Thank you! And apologies, btw, for spelling your surname à la Dominic Cummings (I have now corrected that).

Have reposted within pgn tags:





That second game is full of tactics!

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Re: European Club Cup

Post by Ian Thompson » Thu Oct 24, 2024 12:38 pm

Rhys Cumming wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 12:18 pm
Unfortunately the regulations for norms mean 7 round norms are pretty meaningless even if you get them. You can get a 7 round norm, but your combined norms need to be 27 games total so you inevitably need a 4th.
Hardly inevitably. You can get norms counting for a maximum of 13 games. The 4NCL is an obvious possibility for getting one of 11 games to get you back on track for a third norm of 9 games. There's also the possibility of getting extra games added, for norm purposes, to the actual number of games played if you exceed the norm requirements by at least a point (as happened in last season's 4NCL where someone got an 11 round norm despite only playing 10 games).

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Re: European Club Cup

Post by Roger Lancaster » Thu Oct 24, 2024 10:18 pm

Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2024 8:44 pm
LawrenceCooper wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2024 6:20 pm
Rhys Cumming has a second GM scalp with black so moves to 3/4.
Have been trying to find these games!

Round 1, Rhys Cumming beat GM Markus Ragger (2584) with Black.
Round 3, Rhys Cumming lost to GM Lorenzo Lodici (2575) with Black.
Round 4, Rhys Cumming beat GM Johann Hjartarson (2474) with Black.

Rhys Cumming plays for Sussex Martlets.
2/3 against GMs with Black!

Round 1, Lee Davis (White Knights) beat GM Dejan Antic (2347) with Black.

No other GM scalps (even from the higher-rated ENG, WLS and IRL players).

Three of the games are available (none were on live boards):

Ragger, Markus (2584) - Cumming, Rhys (2253)
39th European Chess Club Cup (Hotel Zepter, Vrnjacka Banja), 20.10.2024
0-1


The game score appears to be incomplete - does anyone have the rest of the moves?

Antic, Dejan (2347) - Davis, Lee (1955)
39th European Chess Club Cup (Hotel Zepter, Vrnjacka Banja), 20.10.2024
0-1


Are the final moves also missing here?

Lodici, Lorenzo (2575) - Cumming, Rhys (2253)
39th European Chess Club Cup (Hotel Zepter, Vrnjacka Banja), 22.10.2024
1-0


Will post the round 4 win by Cumming when it becomes available via chess-results.com, unless someone else can obtain it from somewhere else earlier?
In the Ragger-Cumming game score above, White's 23rd should be Kf2 rather than Qf2. Otherwise 24 Rc4 would have left the rook en pris.

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Re: European Club Cup

Post by LawrenceCooper » Thu Oct 24, 2024 10:22 pm

Rhys drew in round 5 and will get another titled player in round 6 as Sussex play Sharks. Wood Green play their third team from Israel, in rounds 2, 4 and now 6.

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Christopher Kreuzer
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Re: European Club Cup

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Thu Oct 24, 2024 10:54 pm

Rhys Cumming (who will be White) will probably be paired with either Daniel Fernandez or Ameet Ghasi, so I was wondering what sort of player would help with norm chances in round 7? I presume title requirements for both GM and IM norm have already been met, and Rhys will have played players from 6 different federations already. It is just a case of enough points and the right sort of rating in the final round? Maybe best to wait and see.

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Re: European Club Cup

Post by Mick Norris » Fri Oct 25, 2024 11:55 am

Rhys v Dan Fernandez
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Re: European Club Cup

Post by LawrenceCooper » Fri Oct 25, 2024 6:39 pm

Mick Norris wrote:
Fri Oct 25, 2024 11:55 am
Rhys v Dan Fernandez
Dan won.

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Re: European Club Cup

Post by LawrenceCooper » Fri Oct 25, 2024 8:22 pm

Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 10:54 pm
Rhys Cumming (who will be White) will probably be paired with either Daniel Fernandez or Ameet Ghasi, so I was wondering what sort of player would help with norm chances in round 7? I presume title requirements for both GM and IM norm have already been met, and Rhys will have played players from 6 different federations already. It is just a case of enough points and the right sort of rating in the final round? Maybe best to wait and see.
Having lost in round 6 I believe he needs a draw in round 7. The opposing team have a 2314 on board 1 and a 2411 IM on board 2 so he will play one of those. I think either means he needs 4/7.

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Re: European Club Cup

Post by LawrenceCooper » Fri Oct 25, 2024 8:36 pm

This game was scored as a 0-0 draw: https://lichess.org/broadcast/european- ... 3/OY5VyEDJ

Roger de Coverly
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Re: European Club Cup

Post by Roger de Coverly » Fri Oct 25, 2024 8:41 pm

Double Default for collusion was it? Clock times seem to suggest it was known by both players.

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Re: European Club Cup

Post by LawrenceCooper » Fri Oct 25, 2024 8:50 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Fri Oct 25, 2024 8:41 pm
Double Default for collusion was it? Clock times seem to suggest it was known by both players.
Threefold repetition hadn't occurred when the game ended.

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Re: European Club Cup

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Fri Oct 25, 2024 10:22 pm

That looks a bit petty, even if it was a prearranged draw.
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David Shepherd
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Re: European Club Cup

Post by David Shepherd » Fri Oct 25, 2024 10:30 pm

What does no threefold repetition mean though in this context? Was the game stopped by an arbiter or a draw offered or just a wrong claim which was accepted by the opponent? If just a wrong claim that was accepted by the opponent it seems harsh to score 0=0. there seems to me in that case to be an argument that the players have just agreed a draw.

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Re: European Club Cup

Post by Ian Thompson » Fri Oct 25, 2024 10:54 pm

David Shepherd wrote:
Fri Oct 25, 2024 10:30 pm
What does no threefold repetition mean though in this context? Was the game stopped by an arbiter or a draw offered or just a wrong claim which was accepted by the opponent? If just a wrong claim that was accepted by the opponent it seems harsh to score 0=0. there seems to me in that case to be an argument that the players have just agreed a draw.
The event has a rule prohibiting draws by agreement in less than 30 moves with a draconian penalty for breaking it - "Players may only agree to a draw after the 30th move has been made by black. Players violating this rule will be forfeited."