England teams for 2011 European Team Championship

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Re: England teams for 2011 European Team Championship

Post by Jonathan Rogers » Sat Nov 05, 2011 2:31 pm

Paul Cooksey wrote:Akopian has played a very interesting exchange sac against Jones. I can't imagine that was an entirely objective decision, equal parts playing flat out for the win, wanting to have the initiative, and not wanting Jones to have the initiative I guess.
anyone knows whether Akopian plays poker ...? :o

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Re: England teams for 2011 European Team Championship

Post by Jonathan Rogers » Sat Nov 05, 2011 2:42 pm

In Jones v Akopian, ihe computer now considers 16..Qa5 for Black, but I wonder whether Black should play it more slowly ...Ng6, followed by ...e5 - then the knight might come to f4 and he can argue that he has long term compensation/better co-ordination. Very computer-like to want to take on a5 at once, imho.

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Re: England teams for 2011 European Team Championship

Post by Jonathan Rogers » Sat Nov 05, 2011 2:57 pm

... anyway, Akopian took on a5 too!

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Re: England teams for 2011 European Team Championship

Post by Paul Cooksey » Sat Nov 05, 2011 3:15 pm

Adams and Aronian drawn. Mickey kept a symbolic edge throughout the game, but not much to see there really.

Computer still likes Jones position. Oddly it isn't too concerned about castling. Correctly I suppose, although I look forward to a version of Fritz that tells me why rather than making me play through a load of lines to work it out myself :)

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Re: England teams for 2011 European Team Championship

Post by Alex Holowczak » Sat Nov 05, 2011 3:17 pm

Paul Cooksey wrote:Adams and Aronian drawn. Mickey kept a symbolic edge throughout the game, but not much to see there really.
Hope springs eternal so far. The other three games look fairly even. If Jones can cling on to his material advantage, then things are looking very positive indeed.

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Re: England teams for 2011 European Team Championship

Post by Paul Cooksey » Sat Nov 05, 2011 3:19 pm

Alex Holowczak wrote:Hope springs eternal so far. The other three games look fairly even. If Jones can cling on to his material advantage, then things are looking very positive indeed.
Hopeful indeed. I'd say Dr Short better, a pawn is a pawn

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Re: England teams for 2011 European Team Championship

Post by Simon Ansell » Sat Nov 05, 2011 3:21 pm

Nigel is just a pawn up, not sure wtf Movsesian is doing.

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Re: England teams for 2011 European Team Championship

Post by Jonathan Rogers » Sat Nov 05, 2011 3:25 pm

Movsesian seems to have been out to lunch from the start. I think he is a new addition to the Armenian team, which may be significant (he used to play for Czech Republic and maybe for the Slovak Republic too)

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Re: England teams for 2011 European Team Championship

Post by Alex Holowczak » Sat Nov 05, 2011 3:32 pm

Jonathan Rogers wrote:Movsesian seems to have been out to lunch from the start. I think he is a new addition to the Armenian team, which may be significant (he used to play for Czech Republic and maybe for the Slovak Republic too)
He played for Slovakia, and then "returned" to Armenia. He played for them in the last Olympiad, I think. Given his surname ends in "ian", it wasn't much of a revelation to discover he could transfer to Armenia if he so desired.

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Re: England teams for 2011 European Team Championship

Post by benedgell » Sat Nov 05, 2011 3:34 pm

http://chessgames.com/player/sergei_movsesian.html

Sergei Movsesian (born November 3, 1978 in Tbilisi, Georgian SSR, USSR) is a Grandmaster – since 1997 - of Armenian descent, a citizen of Slovakia and used to play for the Czech Republic and for Slovakia before resuming playing for Armenia in 2011.

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Re: England teams for 2011 European Team Championship

Post by Jonathan Rogers » Sat Nov 05, 2011 3:36 pm

ok, so armenia have not won anything with him in the team ...

Did they pay the full transfer fee for him, one wonders mischievously at the moment ...

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Re: England teams for 2011 European Team Championship

Post by Alex Holowczak » Sat Nov 05, 2011 3:39 pm

Jonathan Rogers wrote:ok, so armenia have not won anything with him in the team ...

Did they pay the full transfer fee for him, one wonders mischievously at the moment ...
No, Movsesian was in the team when Armenia won the World Team Championship earlier in the year.

He paid 5000 Euros according to this. He also had dual Armenian/Slovakian citizenship, according to that.

Edit: That just means what's due; I think a federation has the option of waiving that.

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Re: England teams for 2011 European Team Championship

Post by Jonathan Rogers » Sat Nov 05, 2011 3:45 pm

Alex Holowczak wrote:
Jonathan Rogers wrote:ok, so armenia have not won anything with him in the team ...

Did they pay the full transfer fee for him, one wonders mischievously at the moment ...
No, Movsesian was in the team when Armenia won the World Team Championship earlier in the year.

He paid 5000 Euros according to this. He also had dual Armenian/Slovakian citizenship, according to that.

Edit: That just means what's due; I think a federation has the option of waiving that.
Ah, the World Cup, thanks for pointing that out. Easy to forget some events if you're English ...

Yes, most certainly federations can and do waive the transfer fee!

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Re: England teams for 2011 European Team Championship

Post by Jonathan Rogers » Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:02 pm

Well, England must be the favourites to win at the moment, :D but there is enough play left on boards three and four for things to change. at least for a drawn match. Well, perhaps we remember England v Azerbaijan in 2008 ...

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Re: England teams for 2011 European Team Championship

Post by Sean Hewitt » Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:05 pm

Mark Howitt wrote:I think Armenia are proffessional enough not to get too upset...
Mark - how much do you charge for your proof reading service? :lol:

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