2022 Sinquefield Cup

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Re: 2022 Sinquefield Cup

Post by NickFaulks » Tue Sep 06, 2022 8:28 pm

Angus French wrote:
Tue Sep 06, 2022 8:11 pm
One part of the Carlsen PR machine thinks it's up to Hans to provide a statement.
Has everyone forgotten that making unfounded public accusations of cheating is a serious breach of the Fair Play regulations? The problem is that these bullies always seem to home in on victims who are unlikely to want the stress of taking matters further.
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Re: 2022 Sinquefield Cup

Post by LawrenceCooper » Tue Sep 06, 2022 8:30 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
Tue Sep 06, 2022 8:28 pm
Angus French wrote:
Tue Sep 06, 2022 8:11 pm
One part of the Carlsen PR machine thinks it's up to Hans to provide a statement.
Has everyone forgotten that making unfounded public accusations of cheating is a serious breach of the Fair Play regulations? The problem is that these bullies always seem to home in on victims who are unlikely to want the stress of taking matters further.
Possibly not forgotten but not deterred by the punishments previously handed out.

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Re: 2022 Sinquefield Cup

Post by David Sedgwick » Tue Sep 06, 2022 8:42 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Tue Sep 06, 2022 12:46 pm
This is a game (as mentioned by Nigel Short) where Carlsen played g3 against the Nimzo. Admittedly he used a Nf3, g3 move order, but it's not the case that he had never played the line in which he lost to Niemann. Kasparov used to play that system and one may recall that he and Carlsen did some training briefly.

There was a suggestion floating around of a mole in the Carlsen camp. Whilst that might not reveal an exact variation it might indicate the general areas of interest in the opening.


Niemann mentioned this game in his post-game interview with Ramirez (see Angus French's post above), albeit that he wrongly stated that the game was played at the London Chess Classic 2018.

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Re: 2022 Sinquefield Cup

Post by David Sedgwick » Tue Sep 06, 2022 8:57 pm

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Tue Sep 06, 2022 8:16 pm
If a player does have concerns is there a form that they should fill in and forward to FIDE via the organiser? If this were done presumably it would remain confidential and not appear in the public domain.
Yes. Please see https://handbook.fide.com/files/handboo ... ntForm.pdf.

At a GCT event, the form must be submitted at first instance to Chris Bird, the Tour Deputy Chief Arbiter, or to me.

The content would only be published if the complaint were substantiated,

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Re: 2022 Sinquefield Cup

Post by Paul Heaton » Tue Sep 06, 2022 8:58 pm

I see a further consequence of the withdrawal is some players have 5 whites (Mamedyarov), and others have 5 blacks (Caruana and So) in an 8 round tournament. If there is not a shred of evidence, and with a serious organisation body (two ifs, with arguably the second the bigger one), surely this is bringing the game into disrepute, with some kind of suspension a penalty? And if anything the ridiculous Mourinho clip should compound the penalty, not negate it.

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Re: 2022 Sinquefield Cup

Post by LawrenceCooper » Tue Sep 06, 2022 8:59 pm

David Sedgwick wrote:
Tue Sep 06, 2022 8:57 pm
LawrenceCooper wrote:
Tue Sep 06, 2022 8:16 pm
If a player does have concerns is there a form that they should fill in and forward to FIDE via the organiser? If this were done presumably it would remain confidential and not appear in the public domain.
Yes. Please see https://handbook.fide.com/files/handboo ... ntForm.pdf.

At a GCT event, the form must be submitted at first instance to Chris Bird, the Tour Deputy Chief Arbiter, or to me.

The content would only be published if the complaint were substantiated,
Thanks!

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Re: 2022 Sinquefield Cup

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Tue Sep 06, 2022 10:41 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
Tue Sep 06, 2022 4:27 pm
Kevin Thurlow wrote:
Tue Sep 06, 2022 4:20 pm
But organizations wrongly think if they ignore a problem, it will go away
Which is the other organisation you have in mind?
There are many such organizations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDUmS_MJceU

is the GothamChess view

Some of the comments are interesting, including those that suggest that MC's preparation was leaked.

@David - I don't know what to do. JR's suggestion was sensible. It is difficult to investigate something, when we don't know what to investigate.

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Re: 2022 Sinquefield Cup

Post by JustinHorton » Tue Sep 06, 2022 10:47 pm

"Do you play chess?"
"Yes, but I prefer a game with a better chance of cheating."

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Re: 2022 Sinquefield Cup

Post by LawrenceCooper » Wed Sep 07, 2022 12:06 am

Hans is giving a very compelling interview. It's well worth a watch when the link becomes available. He covers the chess.com cheating, the social media backlash and his removal from the chess.com global event following his win against Magnus.

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Re: 2022 Sinquefield Cup

Post by NickFaulks » Wed Sep 07, 2022 12:15 am

I don't think he told us anything about chess.com's ethics that we don't already know, or indeed Nakamura's, but I hope his harsh words for Carlsen hit the target.
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Re: 2022 Sinquefield Cup

Post by JustinHorton » Wed Sep 07, 2022 6:12 am

LawrenceCooper wrote:
Wed Sep 07, 2022 12:06 am
Hans is giving a very compelling interview. It's well worth a watch when the link becomes available. He covers the chess.com cheating, the social media backlash and his removal from the chess.com global event following his win against Magnus.
This, I think? (I've not watched it.)
"Do you play chess?"
"Yes, but I prefer a game with a better chance of cheating."

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Re: 2022 Sinquefield Cup

Post by NickFaulks » Wed Sep 07, 2022 7:38 am

JustinHorton wrote:
Wed Sep 07, 2022 6:12 am
This, I think?
That's the one, starting at 8.20 although his earlier discussion of the day's game is interesting as always.
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Re: 2022 Sinquefield Cup

Post by LawrenceCooper » Wed Sep 07, 2022 7:51 am

NickFaulks wrote:
Wed Sep 07, 2022 12:15 am
I don't think he told us anything about chess.com's ethics that we don't already know, or indeed Nakamura's, but I hope his harsh words for Carlsen hit the target.
This is the link to the interview. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJZuT-_kij0 (which I see that Justin has already located)

It starts with his analysis of the round 5 game which did seem far more in keeping with a player of his rating. There was a lighthearted response to comments about his accent, which seem to have originated from Hikaru's channel. He follows this with an explanation on how the opening against Magnus is a transposition from the Nimzo/Catalan. He then covers the psychology of his approach to the Firouzja game which was to attack him at every opportunity. He admits to being fed moves from a friend/engine in Titled Tuesday when he was 12 without being flagged. I couldn't quite follow what he was saying when he was 16 but I think he was saying that some of his unrated games were the reason for chess.com flagging him and his admission of guilt. His point that he only cheated when he was 12 was clear though.

Subsequent to his OTB game against Magnus he received an e-mail from chess.com uninviting him from the Global chess championship and removing all trace of him from chess.com including his ability to log in to his account. This was just three days after their CEO, Danny Rensch, had spoken to him in person and said how much they were looking forward to having him in the event.

He finishes with a story about how Magnus was his hero and how he got to play against him when he was 8 and dreamt of playing him when he was older.

I thought he spoke incredibly well and although it's a long interview it's well worth a listen.

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Re: 2022 Sinquefield Cup

Post by NickFaulks » Wed Sep 07, 2022 8:05 am

LawrenceCooper wrote:
Wed Sep 07, 2022 7:51 am
He finishes with a story about how Magnus was his hero and how he got to play against him when he was 8 and dreamt of playing him when he was older.
Actually the story is even better, about how he didn't get to play Carlsen, but I won't spoil it.

Anyway, I think the ball is now firmly in the court of Carlsen's spin team, who must be earning their pay. I hope the forum's twitter enthusiasts will keep us in touch with developments.
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Re: 2022 Sinquefield Cup

Post by JustinHorton » Wed Sep 07, 2022 8:16 am

LawrenceCooper wrote:
Wed Sep 07, 2022 7:51 am
Subsequent to his OTB game against Magnus he received an e-mail from chess.com uninviting him from the Global chess championship and removing all trace of him from chess.com including his ability to log in to his account.
Now there is something we could use a journalist asking a direct question about.

I've not time to listen to it this morning (I'll try later) but does he say anything about when he was live-streaming and chess.com kicked him out - or is that what's being referred to when he talks about being sixteen?
"Do you play chess?"
"Yes, but I prefer a game with a better chance of cheating."

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